Ngc vs iccs 2 2

[Crruisercharlie]

Looking for input on your experience with crossover grading between ngc and iccs coins. Share your thoughts?

[Henri Charriere]

As long as you're cruising Charlie and taking in the sights, may I suggest making a pit stop at an older thread, begun Feb.3, 2017, entitled:

"I C C S - Any Opinions?"

I myself have never dealt with them, but others here may have.

[RWB]

You will be comparing fresh, sweet, juicy Gala apples with crabapple and vinegar mush.

[VKurtB]

ICCS is highly thought of in Canada. But then, so was Blackberry, and you know how that turned out. But seriously, their grades should cross rather well. ICCS is not some basement grader. The work is done by serious people. 

[Oldhoopster]

I have a few Canadian coins graded by ICCS and IMO, the grading is similar to other TPGs in the 90s (when I got the coins). As Kurt said, ICCS has been a reputable grader of Canadian coins.  

[gmarguli]

I don't run into a lot of ICCS coins to have a firm opinion, but the ones I do I generally find them to be in-line to slightly overgraded. Years ago I'd have said they grade the same or stricter.

I know a lot of people have complained that they have loosened their standards over the past few years. Same can be said for NGC/PCGS. 

[Henri Charriere]

A TPGS is only as good as the graders it employs at a particular point in time. [Aside:This reminds me of the time Federal judge Edward Weinfeld--widely considered to be Supreme Court material before his untimely death--scolded a bunch of lawyers representing IBM... "You keep referring to 'that office' in the DOJ. I want the name of the person who occupies the room in that office responsible for generating this policy!"]  

My only concern with TPGS is how can you adjudge a coin to be an MS-67--in the total absence of the availability of 68's, 69's and 70's with which to compare it with?  🐓 

[Crruisercharlie]

On 7/20/2022 at 7:46 AM, RWB said:

You will be comparing fresh, sweet, juicy Gala apples with crabapple and vinegar mush.

...and which is which??

[Crruisercharlie]

On 7/20/2022 at 6:50 AM, Quintus Arrius said:

As long as you're cruising Charlie and taking in the sights, may I suggest making a pit stop at an older thread, begun Feb.3, 2017, entitled:

"I C C S - Any Opinions?"

I myself have never dealt with them, but others here may have.

Thanks!

[zadok]

On 7/20/2022 at 10:09 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

A TPGS is only as good as the graders it employs at a particular point in time. [Aside:This reminds me of the time Federal judge Edward Weinfeld--widely considered to be Supreme Court material before his untimely death--scolded a bunch of lawyers representing IBM... "You keep referring to 'that office' in the DOJ. I want the name of the person who occupies the room in that office responsible for generating this policy!"]  

My only concern with TPGS is how can you adjudge a coin to be an MS-67--in the total absence of the availability of 68's, 69's and 70's with which to compare it with?  🐓 

...by definition regardless of how variable that may be...its certainly possible there r many issues where no 68,69,70 coins may exist, hence "top pops"...if u need a comparable use the 66s....

[Henri Charriere]

On 7/21/2022 at 7:34 AM, zadok said:

...by definition regardless of how variable that may be...its certainly possible there r many issues where no 68,69,70 coins may exist, hence "top pops"...if u need a comparable use the 66s....

[I am truly sorry a colleague has expressly forbidden me from using the quite apt term, Great Z, in referring to you.]  🐓 

[zadok]

On 7/21/2022 at 7:26 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

[I am truly sorry a colleague has expressly forbidden me from using the quite apt term, Great Z, in referring to you.]  🐓 

...i wasnt aware that u had any peers....maintain ur fief being a serf sucks....

[Henri Charriere]

On 7/20/2022 at 9:50 AM, Henri Charriere said:

As long as you're cruising Charlie and taking in the sights, may I suggest making a pit stop at an older thread, begun Feb.3, 2017, entitled:

"I C C S - Any Opinions?"

I myself have never dealt with them, but others here may have.

One more opinion, mine, may be found: last post on last page of "French 20-franc gold roosters," (subject to Moderation's approval). 11/01/2023.

Edited November 2, 2023 by Henri Charriere
Added info.