Errorists Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 It's says Die Chip but it looks more like a die gouge.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 You should take it up with the members at http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/Home Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 7:29 AM, Oldhoopster said: You should take it up with the members at http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/Home Nah I'll take it up with the members here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 8:31 AM, Errorists said: Nah I'll take it up with the members here.. I don't understand. Why wouldn't you want to go to a resource that has dedicated subject matter experts to discuss your new proposal? I'm sure there are knowledgeable VAM collectors here that can provide feedback, but why not go where the experts are concentrated? Are you really interested in determining the answer? Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 9:15 AM, Oldhoopster said: I don't understand. Why wouldn't you want to go to a resource that has dedicated subject matter experts to discuss your new proposal? I'm sure there are knowledgeable VAM collectors here that can provide feedback, but why not go where the experts are concentrated? Are you really interested in determining the answer? I like this place better. They have NGC graders here. What better expert advice can you get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Difficult to tell without really sharp, high magnification photos. Difference between a natural chip and accidental damage would be in texture and edge irregularities. This is a common die variety so there should be many examples around for review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldhoopster Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 11:11 AM, Errorists said: I like this place better. They have NGC graders here. What better expert advice can you get? So you're saying that because you like this site better, you'll get better advice here than you would at a site that specializes in the subject. That makes no sense. But then again, many of the responses you've given to previous posts make no sense either. I guess that speaks to the credibility of the information you post here. Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted June 7, 2022 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted June 7, 2022 The raised metal on these coins is too smooth to be the result of a chip. It is most likely due to contact with something that pushed in the die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 11:35 AM, Oldhoopster said: So you're saying that because you like this site better, you'll get better advice here than you would at a site that specializes in the subject. That makes no sense. But then again, many of the responses you've given to previous posts make no sense either. I guess that speaks to the credibility of the information you post here. Keep guessing it makes you smarter eventually.. Oldhoopster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 11:53 AM, DWLange said: The raised metal on these coins is too smooth to be the result of a chip. It is most likely due to contact with something that pushed in the die. I agree. To smooth with no stair stepping as die chips away.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 10:11 AM, Errorists said: I like this place better. They have NGC graders here. What better expert advice can you get? From photos? There’s no such thing as expert advice. Coins are three dimensional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 3:32 PM, VKurtB said: From photos? There’s no such thing as expert advice. Coins are three dimensional. I think DW said it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post messydesk Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 The official specification for this variety (and VAM 7) mention a die gouge. I would say that what is on the VP description is a transcription error. On 6/7/2022 at 10:11 AM, Errorists said: I like this place better. They have NGC graders here. What better expert advice can you get? In this case, you would get the people that are responsible for creating and maintaining the official VAM descriptions. Lucky for you, I decided to pop in today. Alex in PA., zadok, Coinbuf and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted June 10, 2022 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted June 10, 2022 The label descriptions used since 1997 were pretty much imposed on NGC by the language of the Top 100 book. I've noticed that in recent years the vamworld website has abandoned many of those descriptions for more accurate ones, but our customers still expect labels that match the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Arrius Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 4:32 PM, VKurtB said: From photos? There’s no such thing as expert advice. Coins are three dimensional. What's needed are MRI's for coins [and coin experts without hidden agendas]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 7:51 PM, Quintus Arrius said: What's needed are MRI's for coins [and coin experts without hidden agendas]. A standardized motion picture file format that allows circular tilting under an incandescent light source that isn’t a data pig is all that’s needed. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messydesk Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 6:51 PM, DWLange said: The label descriptions used since 1997 were pretty much imposed on NGC by the language of the Top 100 book. I've noticed that in recent years the vamworld website has abandoned many of those descriptions for more accurate ones, but our customers still expect labels that match the book. VAMWorld still uses the official specification for VAMs as written by Leroy Van Allen (up through Dec. 2021) or me (starting Dec. 2021). This is the text that describes each die as well as die markers. The level of detail has increased here over the years because of collector demand. This text is not supposed to be different from what Leroy's (or my) written specification. There is space permitted for additional comments about the variety, including things not described in the specification. There is also the official name of the variety as written by Leroy. For the 91-CC VAM 3, it is "Doubled Profile, CC/CC Top, Spitting Eagle." The doubled profile was added to the official name when VAM 7 was discovered with the same reverse and a different obverse. Before that, the 1991 VAM book calls it "CC/CC Top and Spitting Eagle." Many coins have additional nicknames not given by Leroy but adopted by collectors. The 88-O "Hot Lips" is officially called "Doubled Head". The term "Hot Lips" pre-dates the Top 100 book, as does "Scarface" for the 88-O VAM 1B. Other nicknames were given when the Top 100 book or subsequent guides were published. As these nicknames tend to be more popular and catchy, it only makes sense that they are used. I don't think anyone would refer to a Hot Lips as a Doubled Head today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Arrius Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 8:26 PM, messydesk said: .... I don't think anyone would refer to a Hot Lips as a Doubled Head today. No, nowadays colorful descriptors are reduced to discreet acronyms, e.g., FBL = Fat Busted Lip. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
