JeffersonFrog Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) Hello, my first post here. I was looking through the 30 Year Evolution of the NGC Holder, to see which generation I have. I don't see it. I'm guessing maybe it is a version of the 1997 holder? Your help is very much appreciated, thanks. Edited May 22 by JeffersonFrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldFinger1969 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) I'm not finding one that matches up with your slab, JF. I don't want to say it's a counterfeit because that would likely be an overreaction. But the listings here do not match up with yours. The black lined bars are usually BELOW the number. But they're showing holders for a Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle so maybe for small denomination coins it was different. https://www.ngccoin.com/about/evolution-of-ngc-holder/ I'm sure Dave @ NGC or another veteran can clear it up. Edited May 22 by GoldFinger1969 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 The Vintage is Chateau Orlando de Clemet 2004, possibly from the west-facing slope. It was a good year for reds and has held up well. Quintus Arrius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Bob Posted May 22 Popular Post Share Posted May 22 (edited) What does the hologram label on the reverse look like? Edit: On second thought, why don't I give you the link to a thread by member Conder101, and you can look it up for yourself. That would be much more interesting than me giving you the answer. https://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/117773-ngc-slab-varieties/ The post below by Lem E of Paul's Cointalk thread is interesting, too. The answer to your question can be found in both links. Happy reading, and welcome to the forum! Edited May 22 by Just Bob purecentury, JeffersonFrog and GoldFinger1969 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lem E Posted May 22 Popular Post Share Posted May 22 This may help. https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-ngc-t-w-designations-the-lost-designations.208532/ CoinJockey73, JeffersonFrog and GoldFinger1969 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coinbuf Posted May 22 Popular Post Share Posted May 22 (edited) NGC gen 8 from the work provided by Conder101 in his book. Edited to add: you can also see a photo of this generation (as his example is a copper coin it does not have the W on the label) in the link provided above to a thread that Conder put together. Edited May 22 by Coinbuf JeffersonFrog, Alex in PA. and GoldFinger1969 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 On 5/22/2022 at 5:11 PM, Coinbuf said: NGC gen 8 from the work provided by Conder101 in his book. Whats the title of his book called? Would love to read it sometime. I enjoy reading his responses on the forum. GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 On 5/22/2022 at 2:20 PM, Hoghead515 said: Whats the title of his book called? Would love to read it sometime. I enjoy reading his responses on the forum. I do not have the title in front of me, however, I do not think that the book is available anywhere. Alex in PA. and Hoghead515 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersonFrog Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 Exactly what I was looking for, and interesting reads. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj96 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Welcome to the Forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted May 23 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted May 23 NGC used T for Toned and W for White around 2000-01. The marketplace seemed to be asking for such a thing at the time, yet it never really took hold and was discontinued after a few months. This is the book in question. The copy in my library is the Second Edition from 2003. I haven't seen it for sale in at least 15 years, though I suppose it may turn up online from time to time. Hoghead515 and GoldFinger1969 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) On 5/23/2022 at 10:40 AM, DWLange said: though I suppose it may turn up online from time to time. Biblio.com has it for sale - $350.00 + $4.50 shipping to USA. Also RobertsBookshop.com - same price. Maybe Condor101 will drop by. Edited May 23 by Alex in PA. GoldFinger1969 and Hoghead515 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post physics-fan3.14 Posted May 24 Popular Post Share Posted May 24 Yes, you have an NGC 8. As mentioned in Conder's post, these slabs were only used for about 4 weeks. They are pretty uncommon. Hoghead515, Alex in PA. and GoldFinger1969 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldFinger1969 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 5/24/2022 at 3:36 PM, physics-fan3.14 said: Yes, you have an NGC 8. As mentioned in Conder's post, these slabs were only used for about 4 weeks. They are pretty uncommon. Did Conder post ? I don't see it. 4 weeks is super-short to utilize a new holder design...very surprising. Alex in PA. and Hoghead515 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 5/24/2022 at 3:36 PM, physics-fan3.14 said: Yes, you have an NGC 8. As mentioned in Conder's post, these slabs were only used for about 4 weeks. They are pretty uncommon. Thats pretty neat they were used for such a short time. I have one of my Washington quarters in the same type slab. GoldFinger1969 and Alex in PA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member: Seasoned Veteran DWLange Posted May 25 Member: Seasoned Veteran Share Posted May 25 I seem to recall the W and T labels lasting longer than four weeks, though I don't remember whether it spanned more than one holder type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
physics-fan3.14 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 On 5/24/2022 at 4:29 PM, GoldFinger1969 said: Did Conder post ? I don't see it. 4 weeks is super-short to utilize a new holder design...very surprising. Yes, read Conder's post that Just Bob posted. The NGC 8 was a very short-lived slab. On 5/25/2022 at 9:38 AM, DWLange said: I seem to recall the W and T labels lasting longer than four weeks, though I don't remember whether it spanned more than one holder type. Yes, from my recollection the W and T was used on multiple slab types. NGC 8 features the very small numbers below the barcode - which was only used for a very short period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James at EarlyUS.com Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 No offense to NGC, but these are from just about my least favorite era of NGC grading. Not only did I personally dislike the "W" or "T" thing (which I seem to remember PCI using at the time as well), but grading consistency seemed a bit more iffy at that time. Alex in PA. and ldhair 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 On 5/23/2022 at 11:51 AM, Alex in PA. said: Biblio.com has it for sale - $350.00 + $4.50 shipping to USA. Also RobertsBookshop.com - same price. Because it's the same book. On Biblo it identifies the seller as Robertsbookshop.com. Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhair Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 6/1/2022 at 1:10 PM, James at EarlyUS.com said: I seem to remember PCI using at the time as well True. They also used PQ on the label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
