1943 Steel penny Shattered Die 1 1

[Hinkle]

Hi everyone, for a coin to be considered a shattered die, does the crack have to start from the rim and end somewhere on the rim. Just asking because this die crack I'm seeing it's crossing over each other like it would also be called a shattered die. I'm also wondering what could be going on under the Bowie of Lincoln. I'm thinking a die chip. Thanks 

[Coinbuf]

The lines near the right wheat ear look more like a die scratch then a die break, in any case not what I would consider a shattered die.   On the obv it does look like a die chip with a carbon spot on it.

[Greenstang]

Not really shattered unless the cracks are extending to the rim. The best it would be are interior die cracks although they do look more like scratches.

[RWB]

On 3/25/2022 at 5:51 PM, Greenstang said:

Not really shattered unless the cracks are extending to the rim. The best it would be are interior die cracks although they do look more like scratches.

Agreed.

Part of the difficulty is that the popular site "https://cuds-on-coins.com/" illustrates "shattered dies" with photos of badly cracked, but intact dies. It then calls dies that have structural failures "broken dies." This is another example of misleading numismatic terminology.

To me, a die that has structural failure, including lateral and radial displacement are "shattered."

"Broken dies" are ones with one or more deep surface cracks (breaks with extruded metal) and/or gaps, but have not separated at the rim or disintegrated.

A "cracked die" is one that has visible surface cracks, often connecting peripheral inscriptions or areas of die collapse.