1884 CC morgan silver dollar coin Feedback? 0

[Dejone Maxwell]

[J P M]

It is hard to see the front, to much shine, LoL  It looks just like new on the back, it's to bad no one will grade a Morgan with a 68.69. or 70 like they will with ASE's , But then everyone would have one and the market would get all messed up.

[Dejone Maxwell]

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Edited September 19, 2021 by Dejone Maxwell

[Dejone Maxwell]

On 9/19/2021 at 7:11 AM, J P Mashoke said:

It is hard to see the front, to much shine, LoL  It looks just like new on the back, it's to bad no one will grade a Morgan with a 68.69. or 70 like they will with ASE's , But then everyone would have one and the market would get all messed up.

 

I feel like its something wrong on the face the lines looks like some type of design and towards the front  of face you can see it all little but in person its a gold brownish color never been open sealed 

[Fenntucky Mike]

On 9/19/2021 at 10:03 AM, Dejone Maxwell said:

I feel like its something wrong on the face the lines looks like some type of design and towards the front  of face you can see it all little but in person its a gold brownish color never been open sealed 

Probably some type of film developing on the coin, possibly from the GSA case or something touched it there or got on it before it was placed in the case.  You sure it's on the coin and not the case?

What are those GSA cases comprised of, PVC, acrylic?

[Coinbuf]

On 9/19/2021 at 4:11 AM, J P Mashoke said:

It is hard to see the front, to much shine, LoL  It looks just like new on the back, it's to bad no one will grade a Morgan with a 68.69. or 70 like they will with ASE's , But then everyone would have one and the market would get all messed up.

Just to clarify; both NGC and PCGS have graded Morgan dollars up to and including grades of MS69.   PCGS shows 238 graded in MS68 and higher (2 at MS69) for 1881-S Morgan dollars; NGC's pop report shows a total of 327 graded in grades MS68 and higher (2 at MS69) for 1881-S Morgan dollars.  If your point is that TPG's do not grade Morgan dollars at these high grades with the same frequency as ASE's that would be correct.   However it is incorrect to say that no major grading service has ever graded a Morgan dollar above the MS67 level. 

 

On 9/19/2021 at 7:13 AM, Fenntucky Mike said:

What are those GSA cases comprised of, PVC, acrylic?

I do not know the material used but I am fairly certain that it is inert, however like the TPG slabs these are not airtight.   I think you are correct that the coin pictured here may have some haze on it, my guess is that came from the environment it has been exposed to at sometime in the past.

To the op @Dejone Maxwell, your GSA CC Morgan looks very nice, better than many of the GSA CC Morgan dollars.  From the photos I would grade it as MS64.

[TPRC]

Understanding that it is impossible to grade from a photo, and given the smuts that appears on the coin, I am between a 3 and a 4, and I am inclined toward a 63.

[JKK]

It's very hard to assess a coin through clear plastic even when the image is sharp (this obverse is not, quite). One might see something that is a flaw on the plastic, a mistake one probably would be less likely to make with the coin in hand. That said, all CC GSA Morgans are special on some level, and it's pretty reasonable to think of having them graded and encapsulated (thus preserving the "GSA" designator). I could easily imagine this one getting a 64, possibly higher; can't tell whether the color shift in front of Liberty's nose and mouth is on the coin or on the holder, but it's in a prime focal area if on the coin. If so, that would probably mean it didn't get above 63. Just my guesses.

[Mohawk]

I'm with Jonathan and Coinbuf......it's nearly impossible to give an accurate grade on a coin in a clear plastic holder from photos, especially a holder as old as those GSA holders are, but based on the photos, I'm between an MS 63 and an MS 64.  I'll hedge my bets and go with MS 63+ or MS 63*

[J P M]

On 9/19/2021 at 3:04 PM, Coinbuf said:

If your point is that TPG's do not grade Morgan dollars at these high grades with the same frequency as ASE's that would be correct. 

Yes that was the intent jokingly. My E-Mail blows up with all the different dealers trying to sell all the MS ASE,s .First strike ASE's,Type 1 and Type 2, Signed by this guy and that girl P.S and W coins It is amazing what they can think of to oversell a coin. I am sure there are hundreds of Morgan's out there that are wonderful and have never seen the streets.  

Edited September 20, 2021 by J P Mashoke

[Conder101]

There are so few top condition Morgans compared to ASE is due to how they were handled.  ASE's are struck and tubed (I'm not sure of the handling from strike to packaging ) while the Morgan got no special handling, were packaged loose in bags and tossed around for counting purposes, and shipped around the country to vaults exposing them to much contact and vibration.