Help with Lincoln five cent piece

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[cpm9ball]

Hello, David!

 

I don't know why anyone would want to put you down. All I know is what is contained in the Red Book, but I would sure love to see photos of your specimen.

 

Chris

[brg5658]

I don't know anything about them really, but I wanted to add a link here so others can see the very cool design.

 

Link to one auctioned by Goldberg

 

Pictures from that auction:

 

 

[MarkFeld]

Here is a description of one we sold in our FUN sale earlier this month:

 

 

"1866 Nickel, Judd-486, PR64

 

In-Demand Lincoln Head Design

1866 5C Five Cents, Judd-486, Pollock-575, Low R.7, PR64 NGC.

A bust of President Abraham Lincoln faces right, with UNITED STATES OF AMERICA at the top of the obverse and the date below. The reverse shows an open olive or laurel wreath with IN GOD WE TRUST in tiny letters at the top and a tall 5 / CENTS in the center ("Tall 5 reverse"). Struck in nickel with a plain edge. USPatterns.com estimates that about more than a half-dozen survive of the nickel pieces, including three in museum holdings. The design was also struck in copper and/or bronze (Judd-487/488), the two metals virtually indistinguishable one from another. These pieces are under intense demand as the only 19th century American patterns featuring the martyred President Lincoln. The present attractive near-Gem proof offers pinkish-gold and dove-gray surfaces that show no mentionable distractions save for a few microscopic dark toning flecks. This is the sole example of the Judd-486 at NGC, although PCGS reports seven submissions -- one PR63 and six PR64, with duplications almost a certainty (10/14).

 

Link for images: see here

 

 

[Lastufka Collection]

I didn't know these existed, but I like the design. And wow on that price tag.

 

Thanks for bringing this up hashtag, and Brandon and Mark for the additional images/info.

[physics-fan3.14]

Huh, this is interesting. Never seen one before.

 

I'm kinda surprised that they made a dead-presidents pattern this early. I thought Liberty was still firmly ensconced on our coinage at that time.

 

How long was it until they made another dead-guy pattern?

[Coindude]

If you've never perused this site before it's worth a look: http://uspatterns.com/

 

When I saw the title I knew exactly which coin he was talking about.

[bsshog40]

Awesome pattern to have. Would love to see pics of the one you have.

[RWB]

David,

The web site coindude mentioned is the best starting point for any possible pattern. You will find a lot of good information on these and related patterns such as the Washington pieces. There are also references to other sources of information on the site.

 

There is an earlier post (about 3 weeks ago?) on the NGC US Coin board with information about which religious motto was to be used with specific five-cent coin designs.

 

 

[thebeav]

That is one sharp coin......

When you see the beautiful designs on some patterns, it makes you wonder who pooh-poohed their release ? Some of those responsible need a good 'talking-to'.....

 

Paul

[brg5658]

That is one sharp coin......

When you see the beautiful designs on some patterns, it makes you wonder who pooh-poohed their release ? Some of those responsible need a good 'talking-to'.....

 

Paul

 

I'm sure you could visit their graves...and give them a good "talking-to"...

 

 

[Conder101]

It is understand able why the Lincoln design was rejected. While Lincoln was seen by some as a martyr he was not looked on favorably in the south and many in the north did not care for him either. Combine in the traditions of not placing a president's portrait on the coinage and the fact that the coin would be circulating in a large portion of the country that did not like, possibly hated, him and frankly it just wouldn't be a good idea to rub their noses in it. They were trying to reunite the country at the time and a Lincoln nickel would just work against their efforts.

[RWB]

It is understand able why the Lincoln design was rejected. While Lincoln was seen by some as a martyr he was not looked on favorably in the south and many in the north did not care for him either. Combine in the traditions of not placing a president's portrait on the coinage and the fact that the coin would be circulating in a large portion of the country that did not like, possibly hated, him and frankly it just wouldn't be a good idea to rub their noses in it. They were trying to reunite the country at the time and a Lincoln nickel would just work against their efforts.

 

Very perceptive.

 

Rejection of attractive pattern designs in favor of more mundane is common to many national coinages. Even the Italian coinage under coin collector Vittorio Emanuele III had this problem - and he was the King!

[thebeav]

It is understand able why the Lincoln design was rejected. While Lincoln was seen by some as a martyr he was not looked on favorably in the south and many in the north did not care for him either. Combine in the traditions of not placing a president's portrait on the coinage and the fact that the coin would be circulating in a large portion of the country that did not like, possibly hated, him and frankly it just wouldn't be a good idea to rub their noses in it. They were trying to reunite the country at the time and a Lincoln nickel would just work against their efforts.

 

Very perceptive.

 

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