Grade opinions on this coin?

[erwindoc]

What do you say? Looks NT and MS64ish to me. Luster seems unusual, especially on the obverse comparedt to the reverse. It may be the toning/photo quaility or perhaps old cleaning? Not in hand yet. Experts???

 

 

[coinman_23885]

I'm obviously not an expert, but I was thinking MS63-MS64. I'll be in touch with you about the other thing soon.

[Iskrona-migration]

It looks to me a solid 64.....Very nice coin indeed. It almost looks to be in a NGC slab...Is it.

[Coinsman63]

My guess is 64, with a shot at 65, but a 64 all the way.

[James_OldeTowne]

MS-65, but just barely due to that carbon spot. If that spot were on the obverse, it wouldn't make "5". The color looks ho-hum.

[bsshog40]

I like it. Looks MS65 to me also. The color looks NT to me also. I've seen others with this type toning.

[Old Pueblo]

one of my favs,

 

MS 64

 

Nice one!

 

 

OP

[erwindoc]

Does anyone think it looks cleaned?

[physics-fan3.14]

erwin, I can't tell if it has been cleaned from those pics. The toning does not raise any flags, I'll tell you that - and it appears attractive. The thing is, those pictures are small and out of focus and can hide a tremendous amount. That coin really could grade anywhere from 61 - 65 - and no one is going to be able to narrow it down accurately beyond that, despite what they may tell you.

[coinman_23885]

Does anyone think it looks cleaned?

 

I don't think so, but I cannot wait to see the updated images that you post. Has the coin been certified?

[erwindoc]

Reason I asked if anyone felt it had been cleaned is cause it is currently in an old ANACS holder and net graded MS60 due to cleaning. The seller claims that the coin was purchased many years ago raw and never new it was "cleaned" until it was sent to ANACS. Seller says that he can see no hairlines etc. and neither can I from his photos. Perhaps it was dipped and retoned, I dont know. He will accept returns and even pay return postage, so it really is absolutely no risk to me. For the price, I will look at it and if it is good as it looks in photos and likely crack it out and roll the dice to see what happens. There are lots of stories about coins getting BB on one submission, then ending up in a holder the next. Worst case is it will end up net graded by NGC. I hope to post new photos when I get it in hand later this week.

[James_OldeTowne]

Does anyone think it looks cleaned?

Not at all to me. But evidence of cleaning is easy to hide in an image.

[coinman_23885]

Reason I asked if anyone felt it had been cleaned is cause it is currently in an old ANACS holder and net graded MS60 due to cleaning. The seller claims that the coin was purchased many years ago raw and never new it was "cleaned" until it was sent to ANACS. Seller says that he can see no hairlines etc. and neither can I from his photos. Perhaps it was dipped and retoned, I dont know. He will accept returns and even pay return postage, so it really is absolutely no risk to me. For the price, I will look at it and if it is good as it looks in photos and likely crack it out and roll the dice to see what happens. There are lots of stories about coins getting BB on one submission, then ending up in a holder the next. Worst case is it will end up net graded by NGC. I hope to post new photos when I get it in hand later this week.

 

That's a surprise. The photo doesn't appear to be of the best quality, but if it is accurate, I do not see any signs of cleaning. Let us know how this pans out...it will be interesting to see. If you like the coin, are you going to send it to NGC or PCGS?

[erwindoc]

When I get it at the end of the week, I will update you and the photos as well. If I keep it, it will be sent to NGC for grading. Just in case, I will likely allow "details" grading.

[erwindoc]

Update: NGC just posted the grade on this one

 

Uncirculated Details

Net Graded due to Artificial Toning

 

Opinions welcomed. At least I was right about it not being cleaned previously. I am perplexed by the AT designation. Suggestions?

[James_OldeTowne]

The images make it tough to judge. I'd say sell it ASAP, and put the funds toward a coin you'd like better.

 

How much you want for it ?

[2centsalMD-migration]

I should of read the other posts, I guess my predictions were correct. There are people on Ebay that sell just Toned coins and I know that they are Artificially done by dipping them in some kind of solution. You see it alot on Morgan Dollars. I don't know who they are fooling and why would you destroy a coin like that??

 

Hello. Is this coin Raw? Is that why your asking about a grade. I always feel suspicious when someone is selling a coin in this condition and it not being graded especially when the coin is worth at least $100. Without a doubt, the coin is at least a MS-64 or better. I would ask the seller as many questions as possible and evaluate the answers. There are so many coins out there that are counterfeited and Artificially toned it's a hard decision to make. If the price is appropiate and the sellers reputation is traceable and looks good than I would go with my gut feeling.

Have the seller grade it. That would solve any doubts. Good luck and let me know how it all works out. I would be interested about the sellers story.

Good Luck. Sal

 

[MercuryMan]

Looks like a 64 to me. As for cleaning it's possible. And I agree if you question it sell it and get one you don't doubt.

[Buffalo Head]

Solid 64 with a real good shot at 65 if the luster's there....Nice coin for sure!!