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aleccomix
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Rainbow toning on ancient silver coin - Alexander Tetradrachm
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@Coinbuf @Mike Meenderink So much more drama than I was expecting for a coin forum . Not sure how far back your feud goes, but I feel like you're both overreacting against each other in this specific thread. I can't even tell what specifically it is that you're disagreeing about here. It seems like MM's only (potential) wrongdoing was his level of confidence (which I'm still not sure is unwarranted based on this specific thread)-- all he had to do was use more phrasing like 'i believe' or 'in my opinion'. Coinbuf, again I'm not sure about these other threads you're mentioning, but I think it's a bit aggressive to use the word 'misinformation' for nuanced topics like this where there isn't always a clearly defined right or wrong opinion. It's not as if MM was deliberately sharing information he knew was wrong. This is my first time on this forum, and I'd call myself more of a hobbyist than a serious collector-- that said, I wouldn't have asked a forum if these questions had clear cut answers (I can get easy answers from 5 mins of research online). I really appreciate all the time and thought everyone has put into helping me learn more about my coin! -
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Rainbow toning on ancient silver coin - Alexander Tetradrachm
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Lifetime is printed by NGC on holders for coins that were minted prior to Alexander the Great's death in 323bc. the expanded grade description, as I currently understand it, is already included in the standard $55 grading tier, however, it isn't included when people grade coins in bulk or economy submissions (like mine was) . expanded grades are supposed to have attribution, weight, & sub-grades for Strike, Surface, & Style. when you get the expanded grade description, I think its possible to get a better overall grade (vs economy or bulk submission's basic net grade), because the strike, surface, and style grades are separately evaluated and the overall grade is more purely based on the level of wear on the coin. https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ancient-coins/grading.aspx#3S https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/4532/Ancients-Economy-Tier/ Really jealous of the coin in your post by the way-- whether it's lifetime or posthumous(post 323bc), it's incredible! Do you have a photo of the obv handy? We might be able to attribute it to a likely mint location/date.
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Oh yes, I certainly take everything on the internet with a grain of salt. I'm biased, but I think his commentary was pretty spot on when he "this is a nice coin" though. I think there's a decent amount of confusion generally out there about ngc ancient's grading scale vs ngc's normal grading scale. At this point, I'm mostly interested in opinions on whether this coin would get a grade bump by resubmitting for the expanded grade description, and if anyone has experience dealing with ngc on lifetime attributions for Alexander Tets. Thanks for the insights.
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Definitely knew that was a possibility when I bought the coin a few years ago -but I still personally appreciate the unique look of colors either way- and I didn't pay a premium vs market value of non-toned coins at the time. Do you have an opinion on whether it would achieve a higher grade if I resubmit for the expanded grade description service? I was thinking that the strike is a bit off (especially on obverse), which might give it a better adjectival grade (vs current net grade of VF). If you think the toning contributed to the current VF net grade-- then I suppose that also might be a reason for a higher grade on reholder. Also, do you have any info on lifetime attributions for these coins? Thank you for the insights.
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Don't worry, mate-- I also asked them via email! I've used CGC & PMG more recently, but haven't submitted anything via NGC ever. I've found CGC to be very transparent and honest in unique situations like this--but I'm a bit worried that the NGC support won't say for sure whether graders would give the lifetime attribution unless I pay for the $20 enhanced grade description (arguably, attribution is a part of that paid service). I'm not likely to sell the coin anytime soon as I'm pretty fond of it, I'm just hoping to get the coin reholdered this year while I still have a CCG premium subscription. I also have some ANACS coins(Roman Rep. Denarius - M Cipius, & Hadrian Denarius) that I'd love to get put in NGC holders-- but $55 seems a bit steep for coins only worth a couple hundred dollars.
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Rainbow toning on ancient silver coin - Alexander Tetradrachm
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I don't believe it's toned more since being previously graded--the attached pics are from the time of grading. Thank you for the detailed and clear response! Is it possible that ngc might consider toning as a flaw when determining the overall grade?
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Rainbow toning on ancient silver coin - Alexander Tetradrachm
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Any opinions on how this rainbow toning on my Alexander tet formed? Could it be artificial? Also, if I get this an enhanced grade description on this coin for $20 what are the odds of it getting bumped up to XF? or is just Ch VF the ceiling on this one? Anyone have experience getting CGC to put 'lifetime' on the holder? I'm fairly certain this one is a Price 3233 lifetime minted in Myriandrus--what kind of documentation would ngc need? are they competent at attributing lifetime designations correctly? I've seen a fair # of examples where it seems people got the standard level grading, but there was no designation of lifetime or posthumous. I greatly appreciate your advice if you have a few moments. Also would love it if people shared some pics of examples from their collection! http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.3233
