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On 6/2/2023 at 5:07 PM, powermad5000 said:

I took a picture of the reverse of your slab with my phone and used the editing software to rotate the reverse. It came up as 16 degrees. HOWEVER!!!!!, I am taking a picture of a screen of a picture of a slab. To be accurate I would need the coin in hand. That said, I would say it is close to being 15 degrees.

The thing is, the coin, albeit in good condition, is not even worth the slab it is sitting in. At the grade it is, in the price guide it is listed at $12.50 and we all know you typically don't get the actual price guide figure when selling a coin. Submitting this for a regrade (which risks them still not attributing it as a mint error), would be throwing good money at naught.

How much did you think the coin would sell for if it were attributed as a mint error for rotated dies? As someone who has more than a handful of mint errors, I can tell you the coin if attributed in the holder would sell at auction for around $20-$30. Lincoln cents have tons of errors from 1909 to date. Everything from broadstrikes, rotated dies, capped dies, off center strikes, combination errors, brockages....some of the same collecting rules apply here. Now, if you had a 1909 S VDB with a rotated die, you could get insane amounts of money for that one cent. At a mintage number of 693,192,814 cents made as 1970 S, with rotated die not being some "fantastic" error, there will be little demand for such a specimen.

Not to be mean but to be realistic, for your 7 figure plan, if you are chasing after cents like this, you will never get there. You would need to get into coins of demand, those of scarcity and those of extremely high grade. Common Lincoln Memorial Cents are not going to get you there. I have roughly 460 slabs and I am not at 7 figures. I have about half of all the Morgans in grades from 62 to 66+ with many CC's and many Top 100 and Hitlist and Hotlist VAM's, I have uncirculated Trade Dollars, several large cents of XF and up grades, Two Cent pieces uncirculated, Flying Eagle cents in AU, Liberty Head Nickels in MS, Barber Quarters in MS, Walkers in MS, Mercury Dimes about a quarter of the series in MS 65-MS 66 FB....I have ALOT! And I am not at 7 figures. And I have been at this for 45+ years. I applaud your goal and I do hope that one day you can achieve it. I just want to say most of us who collect (and especially now those who submit as well), spend more than they make off of coins. And we will probably die without selling them, so I would hope you have someone you can pass the collection along to who will keep it growing. Even if you don't hit 7 figures, maybe the person you pass your coins to can.

I appreciate you sharing this info! I know I have a VERY LONG way to go. I am building this collection of slabbed coins to leave as inheritance for my unborn grandkids. Gold, silver, copper and nickel collections.

On 6/2/2023 at 2:08 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Did you request that the coin be examined for an error and pay the $18 fee? If you did then I have to assume that NGC felt the rotation was not significant enough to be labeled as an error. I tend to agree with that assessment but it's close. 

From the NGC website "NGC will recognize rotated die mint errors only if there is at least 15 degrees of rotation."

I paid for both error AND variety attributions.

On 6/2/2023 at 2:26 PM, JKK said:

I'd be interested in reading that business plan.

the plan is simple,
Step 1. Hunt
Step 2. Sell
lol

Can we overlay these images for reference? because it looks darn close to me. I hate to be a grumpy old man  but I'd like to see these images overlayed for reference.
 

On 6/2/2023 at 2:08 PM, Fenntucky Mike said:

Did you request that the coin be examined for an error and pay the $18 fee? If you did then I have to assume that NGC felt the rotation was not significant enough to be labeled as an error. I tend to agree with that assessment but it's close. 

From the NGC website "NGC will recognize rotated die mint errors only if there is at least 15 degrees of rotation."

This would be WAY MORE than the 15 degrees clockwise and certainly about 15 degrees anti-clockwise. The thing is rotated to the 11 o'Clock position. Idk man...

I am disappointed with my first coin grading experience but I WILL continue to hunt coins and get the best finds graded. I recently sent this 1970 S Large Date penny in to NGC for attribution. I wasn't as concerned with the grade as I am with the error attribution. I even included a note explaining my find and it's super obvious if you look at the images below. I have no idea why such an obvious error would not be attributed by one of the biggest grading companies in the world. Regardless, I am still on a mission to make 7 figures off coins, errors and varieties!

I recently submitted a 1970 S Large Date Penny which clearly has a Rotated Die Error as you'll see in the images below, however the coin came back without the Rotated Die Attribution. Please assist and advise how I can get this kind of error attributed. 

hello Team, 

Hope y'all enjoying the memorial day. I found this penny while roll hunting. Under the microscope, it certainly looks like a double earlobe, however, it's not as pronounced as other examples I've seen circulating online. Do you think this is worth getting graded?

Thanks for the input guys. As always your professional insight from years of experince is greatly appreciated.

That being said, I took a closer look at the coin and I'm just gonna post the pics and you guys tell me what you see. So, in addition to the missing "of" on the reverse, there may be something on the obverse. 

hello Team,

I know these are pretty common but I've never seen one this extreme to point where it's almost as if the word "of" is missing from the United States of America on the reverse of the coin. I think it's a cool piece for conversation so I'm keeping it. I call it the "United States - America" Lincoln Cent because that's exactly what it looks like. 

I'm no expert on this but to me it looks like this impression MAY HAVE BEEN in the planchet before the strike. I could be wrong. I base my theory on the fact that if this impression was made after the strike it would flatten a lot of the more minute and delicate details like the steps, the edge of the columns, etc. Just my "one cent". --Pun intended

On 3/7/2023 at 8:50 AM, Coinbuf said:

Where did you get the screenshot in your OP?   Was it from a known and reputable source or just some guy on fakebook?  I am asking these questions because we cannot discuss or compare your coin with the photo you supplied if we have no idea where you got the photo from or the validity of what it is.  In the future provide a link to your example coin if it comes from a reputable site, I will not click on links to FB, Twitter, or the like.   Or in leu of a link provide the source of the example.   Variety Vista has no listing for any DDO for 1992-D, and while Wexler has one listed it looks nothing like either the photo you copied or the one you found.   Both your coin and the one in the top photo look like die erosion as the others have said.

Do you know what a doubled die is?  I am not asking that to be snarky or rude but it seems a valid question given what you have posted in this and prior threads.   If you do not know what to look for it is nearly impossible for you to identify something, it seems that you are looking for the Titanic by digging in the desert.

The example I am cross referencing can be found on the PCGS website here https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/1992-d-1c-rd/3101/7033467905972502349

I hope I can rejoice that I've found something this time. This 1992 shows what looks tome like a DDO.. After spending the entire weekend and Monday looking for examples, the closest I found was the screenshot below. 

Now, the coin I have is almost exactly the same, minus the abbrasion doubling seen around the 9 and the 2 in the above image. The next set of images will be the coin I found while roll hunting. It has the same line down the middle of all the numbers and letters except for the D mintmark.

here are my photos:-

hello again Team,

Just wondering what to call this find and check if this is a known/recognized variety. I do believe I saw a similar variety sold on ebay some years ago when I just heard about coin collecting. My hunch is it may be a minor error/variety since it's not visible with the naked eye. What's your take?

On 3/2/2023 at 1:27 PM, Sandon said:

   This coin has a nice die break and is worth saving as a conversation piece.  However, die breaks are quite common and generally not worth much of a premium, unless the break has become so severe that a piece has broken out of the die, resulting in a blank area or raised blob on the coin that error collectors call a "cud". Mint employees usually replace the broken die before it gets to that point, so "cuds" are scarce. 

  Collectors of older (mostly pre-1837) U.S. sometimes collect them by "die states" that involve the progression of die breaks as the dies were used, but this is rarely the case for modern coins. There are just too many dies used for each issue.

  I've been collecting coins and looking through change for over 52 years and have seen a fair number of coins with die breaks, but hardly any errors more significant than a couple of broadstruck quarters and a blank cent planchet.  Significant errors and varieties rarely turn up in change.  Someone older than I am got a struck cent that had been overstruck by nickel dies a few years ago at the supermarket, though, so it's worthwhile to keep looking!

Very informative @Sandon. That is what I love most about this community. Very helpful and informative. Since I found this quarter I've developed a habbit of carefully inspecting ALL fiat that passes through my hand and if I see anything then I put it under a microscope to verify. I have 3 die cud errors I found doind that.

On 3/2/2023 at 1:35 PM, RWB said:

Maybe it's a "drooling eagle" "slobbering eagle while flying inverted to show off to the lady eagle who has flown off with another eagle guy" variety.

Interesting coin to learn from about minting - but not of much value.

you crack me up @RWB

Thanks for bringing this up @powermad5000. Us newbies will certainly benefit from this knowledge. I share the same opinion as you. I consider the CAC and MAC stickers to be like that colorful star or smiley face sticker my first grade teacher would give us whenever we aced a test . That stuff used to get me so hyped up! 

I found this beautiful specimen (1996 P Mintmark Washington Quarter with Die Crack/Die Break Error) in my pocket change around November 2022. It's in horrible shape however I can't seem to find anything even remotely close to this. I believe I may have found a very unique error here. Any help or reference/cross-refence resources for this specific Die Break Error would be greatly appreciated since I'm not finding anything on it.

I did find some better examles sold on eBay in February 2023. I see them being sold for around $2 to $5, most being around the $2 range.

hello again Team,

I'm back with another cool find! This 1969 D Penny with Floating Roof and missing FG I can say is certainly a cool find! This coin has a lot of eep scratches so I don't think I will be getting this one graded. What do you guys think it's worth?

On 3/1/2023 at 5:26 PM, Sandon said:

     Welcome to the NGC chat board.

      It is preferable to post photos of the entire obverse and reverse of the coin, as well as the area that interests you. In this case, it would be helpful to know which of the 4 commemorative reverses the coin has.

     I see ever so slight thickening on some of the date numerals and the mint mark of your 2009-D cent but none on the earlobe, just a nick. The coin could be a very minor doubled die obverse, which wouldn't likely be of much value. You might check out the 2009-D listings on Wexler's website at Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties (doubleddie.com) and the other sites to which he refers to see if you can find a match.  

Thank you so much! I did check that website and it looks a little like the second-to-last and the last images in the article I found here: http://doubleddie.com/90701.html What do you think?

On 3/1/2023 at 5:19 PM, J P M said:

Perhaps you can post obverse and reverse photos' 

My bad, I forgot to add them in the initial post.

hello Team,

Been hunting through coin rolls for around a month now. I'm a complete newbie to the hobbie so your professional opinion is highly appreciated. 

So I found this 2009 D Lincoln cent and I'm wondering if this is a legitimate DDO or just machine doubling. The date seem to be doubled and the earlobe opens up some questions for me. Hope my eyes aren't getting old. lol.. Thanks for your input team.