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Reverse of the 1923 as requested.. Thanks JPM, appreciate the advice... Pic is of ol' BamPaw...at the beginning of his collecting...he's in front of his tent at a CCC camp in the middle of Kansas during the depression...this ain't no rich man's hoard...it was earned the ol' school hard way.

This was a bit disappointing.. I thought there were more gold CC's . So I threw a C in this pile...and another CC Morgan

There's three more that I can't get to post yet..

If you look real close from about a foot away you can see the professionalism and credibility of your forum meet an eBay and you tube status...

In response to a request, I will share photo's of the coins I have mentioned or requested advice about. Here are some lower grade gold pieces

Bam Paw's Hoard is really cool...

Cool, the CC's are tossed up in the mix of the rest. I'll see if I can find them tonight. I'm not an organized collector, just have some packages of stuff. Bunch of Bam paw's coin's, lot of stamps, some really cool Native American Artifacts.

Went through forty of them pulled out the worst ones. Does look like some type of cleaning residue on them. The hairlines on the last photo are obvious on several in a different container. Those have an oily bright shine. There's around 60 total, most with similar issues. The box they came in was from New York. Also in response to another question, going through the hoard has been interesting and time consuming. All of the ungraded gold tested out as gold at a local dealer, will send them in grading later. All of the graded gold checks out according to the bar codes on the NGC and PCGS holders, mainly PCGS, mostly ST. Gaudians, only a couple of CC's. All of the graded Morgans bar codes check out as well, a couple CC's there also. I split up the piles of ungraded Morgan's, proofs, commemorative sets, early 1900's pennies, nickels, and dimes between the nieces and nephew, perhaps it will fuel an interest in something outside of digital games. Found some foreign ones that will be sent in for authentication and grading also. Not sure about the stack of Canadian gold proofs, will decide after further research on the Canadian portion of the pile. Franklin proofs are the next in line..On a different note...It appears that the decline in quality of the coins coincide with the progression of the Parkinson's he had. The majority of the coins, and all of the Gold are still in the original mailed boxes, with invoices etc. so the timeline is obvious. The above mentioned Liberties were some of the latter purchases. Their condition doesn't reflect his other usual choices, and there are multiple invoices noting refused coins, returns, and reimbursement on other coins. Ol' BamPaw kept good records...reflecting all of those years in the military...WWII..he almost got kicked out after Pearl Harbor, was brought up on charges for "stealing" a civilian boat and equipment. They dropped it after farce hearing although he was guilty. Him and another guy "commandeered" a civilian boat and equipment and went out and cut a hole in the side of one of the ships that had rolled over in Pearl Harbor. Luckily it allowed a guy trapped inside to get out. The charge was dismissed because they were still under fire...none of the family knew about it until the man that climbed out of that hole he cut showed up at his memorial and told it. Ol" Bam Paw could keep a secret. Then it was the Korean War and after on to becoming an Engineer, participating in developing and testing Missile systems, retiring from White Sands Missile Base and continuing on as a Civil Engineer doing the same work. Parkinson's was the closest medical description they could come up with...he wondered if it really came from those "early" years and tests before they knew what they were dealing with. Well..way the heck off topic, apologies. Ol' BamPaw was definitely a Seasoned Veteran.

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Have several walking liberties that have a "mottled" look on the surface. Unsure if the pics will show it as good, Unoticeable until its magnified by the camera lens. Is this indicative of cleaning or chemical damage?

All great points to consider. Thank you.

Thanks for the advice and information. As I mentioned in a different post, I am in the process of sorting ungraded or random individual coins with the intent of having any that are worth it graded and authenticated. That one was discovered in an old cigar box in a little envelope. The others it was grouped with appear to be more common.

I appreciate the information. Years ago I attempted miracle fix the scratches on my sunglass material at the time...total disaster. The tape is holding two seperate coin holders together, I hadn't separated that stack yet when I took the pic. The other coin is the same, date, grade, etc.

May have found my own answer...Such marks are called chop marks, its a manner in which Chinese merchants put a personal stamp on a coin to verify its authenticity. However this equates to post mint "damage" and devalue the coin even if proved to be authentic. if that in fact is what this is on this coin...

Does anyone have information about the characters stamped on the backside of this 34th year of the dragon counterfeit? Assuming its a counterfeit in part due to the stamp of Chinese characters.

Perhaps this one isn't too far gone?

Any special cleaners etc. other than alcohol to remove old scotch tape? Anything special to polish out scuffs ion the plastic or best left alone?

In response to how I happen to be currently responsible for this collection...It was my Grandfathers prior to his passing several years ago.

Thanks, am still sorting them! Most are just common circulated dates. After this its an ammo box full of rolled up Kennedy's. I think he rolled up most of these in the seventies.

That is an interesting collection of the counterfeits. I am hard pressed not to believe there's a few counterfeits in this pile.There is also a multitude foreign coinage in various states and wraps, rolls of older small U.S. coinage. it has been and will continue to be an education.

I appreciate the response and have seen what you've mentioned also. Fortunately the majority of the Saints and Morgans I have have been graded and slabbed by NGC or PCGS. I'm currently working from the bottom up in understanding this collection I'm dealing with. My intent is to liquidate the less important items in order to have some of the ungraded gold authenticated and graded. I am fairly confident that at least the majority of it will fair well. I only have one Saint to be graded, and a Liberty $20. The rest are a mix of fives. tens, maple leafs and such. There should be paperwork with it all, the initial moving has some of it out of order. The collection is pretty eclectic, a lot of commemoratives, proofs etc. to sort through. Tonight was a journey through over a thousand Eisenhower's. There were only around 30 Saints, and not quite twice that in Morgans and a few Peace. Sure is easier to scan the bar codes and have the info at hand. Enough rambling, back to Bampaw's hoard...

Sorting old Eisenhower's found this, have read its an error. Is it an interest or just a common occurrence?

I agree with your descriptive. I personally found that the majority of my initial questions had already been answered at some point, or a reference to another source given to seek the answers I thought I may have needed. I now jokingly refer to the collection I inherited as "BamPaw's Hoard" especially the looser ungraded items. Fortunately there seems to be an overall discipline to his collecting. My personal interest is more one of responsibility than of a great interest in actual collecting at this point..well except at times I do find myself up a little later than usual chasing a certain Coin that I've pulled from the hoard...hmm, but that's probably how it starts. While I certainly have respect for the graded gold and silver, sometimes its the little folded envelopes of obviously not so valuable coinage that catch my attention. One in particular with a scribbled note on it...something like, "Pawn Shop, Honolulu 1939." and a few worn Hawaiian coins inside. He was in the military, stationed in Hawaii pre and post Pearl Harbor. After couple of more decades or so of service he retired out of White Sands in New Mexico. Spent a few years there as an engineer both military and civil designing and testing missile systems. Parkinson's got him finally. But that's way off topic..Currently I am sorting through an ammo box of hand rolled clad Eisenhower Dollars all seemingly clad at this point. Next will be about 3/4of an ammo box of Franklin proofs, all in plastic holders (ungraded), but some of which, although obviously proof's, have the hairline scratches indicative of cleaning...which is a curiosity, since they look in every other aspect like proofs. At first review, there seems to be mostly 1962's. But there are also a "56" and "57" NGC graded 67 to use as a reference. I've not made a decision about what's after that yet...its still a learning experience at this point. I appreciate all of the reference and advice given in this forum, its been very helpful...

I would like to think this is practical advice for anyone who has decided to post questions in this forum...I am open to constructive criticism if there's a differing opinion... After reading multiple posts I do perceive an opportunity to give back a little to a community that gave to me first. There is a "Newbie" advisory post that is requested that every "Newbie" reads...Please read it before posting. Actually, read it a few times...its a practical attempt to insure a good level of communication. Review past posts, there's a good chance your question has already been answered for someone else at another time. I found that reading past posts answered questions that I hadn't even realized I might need to ask yet. That's the cool part, later no-one knows you were as dumb as you were about some of this. Appreciate the fact that this provides a free, practical, hands on education based on the experiences of others who may have already lost as much if not more learning the same things they are sharing.

I appreciate all of the advice, I will keep all of the paperwork that is with the coins. My initial concern was as much about the space available to store them at this point. Obviously the paperwork takes up more space than the coins in the plastic holders.