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Pretty piece, Hard Times!

I believe D&H thought the die deliberately had the date defaced. Probably because typically when you see the "defaced" die the clashing does not match the obv that it is paired with. So they didn't realized it was just a clashed die. Then later when someone found a 690b that was struck before the die had clashed they thought they had something new. In my opinion the 690bis listing is an error and should be delisted. (It isn't the only error in the 1990 "listing of new varieties discovered since the original book was published".) The 690bis and 690b is actually just an interupted marriage.

What about Worcester 7 (plain edge, clear date) and 8b (plain edge, date partially obliterated? Same logic?

An 1887 medal (38mm) by W. Wyon for the 50th year of Victoria's reign. A bit of a different look for Victoria compared to many of the medals issued for the occasion.

Happy Holidays!

For those here who might be new to Conder tokens and Dalton & Hamer, here's a reprint of a portion of a Conder Token Collectors Club article about errors in D&H.

Another good source of rarity information besides D&H is the census Dr. Sriro has compiled over the years of appearances of tokens by D&H number.

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Ex Cosmicdebris

That shepherd got a lot of use! Here's Midd 853, Midd 690b, Hert 3 and Worc 8b. Got one?

Cyber-My understanding (from R.C.Bell's works) is that Spence produced his own tokens engraved by Charles James for several years before he went bankrupt. His coins and dies were sold to Peter Skidmore who used them to produce mules for sale often with dies engraved by Jacobs. Some unused Spence flans went to James.

A substantial portion of R.C.Bell's Political and Commemorative Pieces Simulating Tradesmen's Tokens, 1770-1802 describes Spence's political dies and the story behind them individually. Additional Spence tokens are described in other volumes by Bell (Tradesmen's Tokens and Specious Tokens.)

Conder101-I agree with your assessment (and submitted it as 690b). Bis is not used for dies with cracks or other post engraving damage, so why would it apply to a die with clashing?

Off to NGC with a few Spence tokens including this one. It has a plain edge so does it come back Midd 690b or 690Bis (from the D&H Addenda)?

There's another dimension to the engraving when a medal's 9 1/2 mm thick!

Just received British Historical Medal #3177, 76mm, 293gm by J.S. and A.B. Wyon. It's part of the City of London series of medals and records the 1884 opening of the new council chamber.

They didn't skimp on the detail of the interior of the chamber.

According to D&H, this shilling token was issued in copper by Spence for collectors. (Essex 1 also exists in silver.) Odd date on this one!

This "Medaille" appeared in the "Great Britain, Victoria 1837-1901" section of a European dealer's site.

The reverse design is characterstic of many medals by Wiener, Davis, etc. of that era,

but I think of it as the Conder token Warwickshire 38a, c1790s.

38mm, 27.3 gms, coin alignment

Is it just where I am looking, or did the availability of reasonably priced (?), high-grade Conder Tokens dried up?

Perhaps they're being held hostage somewhere!

Midd 414

Warw 160

Napolean surrenders to the captain of the Bellerophon after his defeat at Waterloo, 1815. Mudie Medal #37, BHM 884, 41mm.

It only took 7 years and 120 submissions to obtain a "RD" designation from NGC for a Conder token. I've mounted it on my wall so I can watch it turn red/brown.

Very simple design on this Staffordshire 3 penny.

Hardcopy D&H. For someone looking for a cheap D&H, this might fit the bill.

D&H 1990

Bob

Middlesex Williams' 922, a bit "dished' on the reverse

Got any Conders where the obverse and reverse have very different toning? Here's one.

BRG was nice enough to point out the first Conder token he's seen that was slabbed by PCGS

(other than the US related ones which I've studiously ignored).

Somerset 50

Putting aside the BIN, here's a few observations on this sample of one.

-The camel is on the obverse not the India house if you follow D&H. I hope PCGS has one.

-World coins apparently are graded with the "Secure" service (and fee) regardless of value.

I'm still not sure what "Secure" gets me as a buyer of such an item.

-Although the edge is visible in the pronged slab, there is no indication on the slab of the edge

(and none in the Ebay listing either) so who knows if the attribution is correct.

For fun, I've sent a note to the seller asking about the edge.

-A nice plus for PCGS would be if they started to include non-US Conders in their population report

(but I couldn't find the PCGS number for this Conder in the online report.) Here's what comes up

for the tokens' cert verification. I'm lost.

27541545 cert verification

-Coming from Austria. Submitted and graded at one of the European centers perhaps?

According to the seller of the PCGS Somerset 50, the edge reads "PAYABLE BY * M. LAMBE & SON"

as expected for a Somerset 50. I hope I didn't raise unrealistic hopes that I'd pay $298 for it.

Two Pius IX medals with the cathedral interiors of St. Paul's and St. Peter's in Rome. By I. Bianchi during the 1860's.

The high relief of Pius IX's bust on the each medal's obverse allows the depth of engraving for the cathedral interiors.

I'd like to own a MS67PL Conder token but hadn't seen one til now (or have I)?

Ebay MS67PL! Conder token

Bianchi did nice work for Pius IX! This example was produced in Anno XIX (1864).

Cool Indian!

Da Bull, Herefordshire 3, NGC 63BN.

Part of a lot of Papal medals, Pius VI, 1795, 41mm.