Moxie15

It could be the pictures but I am not sure it is genuine. If it is perhaps F15 to VF 20 at best

wonder who the expert was who pronounced it genuine.

first thing I saw

corrected post below....nothing to see here

There were only 15 1804 dollars minted, and they are all accounted for. Any 1804 dollar you are likely to be offered to buy are fake

the 1804 is fake the 1907 is likely real but is only worth about 10 cents 1811 does not look quite right to me

IF you send that coin to be graded and it comes back DDO or DDR then that grading service is worthless. That coin shows almost every diagnostic trait of being struck with a die that was not properly secured in the collet. MD or machine doubling is common and has no premium. It is akin to what a machinist calls chatter, the tool was not held tight against the work surface causing extra marks. With a die press the tool is die, the die is just slightly loose so it bounces slightly. This is more akin to a double struck than a double die. The phenomenon is very common and has no premium. NOW IF you do not believe the numismatists who have told you what it is, nor believe me because I am just a collector who collects for his own pleasure than go ahead and send your coin to our host.

I just don't get it. You have been informed by some of the best professional numismatists that it is not a doubled die yet you insist it is. If it was a 1982 or an 1882 it would still be machine doubling.

tradition and history are extremely important to the British society. What we may see as pointless can be very important to them.

spend it and move on. I see nothing on or about that dime that is worth keeping. If you think it is a DDO then go to variety vista and look for a match.

actually I would simply ask you what you spent to make that $20. Your answer to that question would dictate my next response.

well, where should I start? maybe here... If you feel the need to post here and say what you did then you do not have enough knowledge to make money in coins. if you do not know who is likely to buy and at what price they would likely pay how do you know what to pay? who are your customers? where is your market?

You should send your stimulus to me, it will hurt less than what you have going here.

So, what do you think it is? The hub was pressed into the die steel once, so true double dies are impossible now. Can you describe a process that would cause this that would show it is other than a form of machine or strike doubling?

that which would have appeared in that space......my comment, in other words.

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that is interesting, With the wear and damage on that coin it makes it difficult to think that it would be worth much even if it is deemed to be legit

there is no grade AU42! I would not buy whatever it is with your money if I had a grudge against you

very nice gifts, or prizes, or is it loot? Super great!

first Welcome Your coin shows some dramatic machine doubling and what looks to be plating issues. In my opinion it is cool as anything but it is worthless. If you look closely at the one you will see that the doubling is flat and shelf-like. This is a classic sign of of strike or machine doubling. This is neither a variety nor an error. The date doubling looks to be plating issues. Remember that coin presses are high speed machines and things get lose and wear out rapidly. They work at machine gun like speeds for time frames that would wear the best machine gun to a useless lump. Many things can and do happen that would seem impossible to a casual observer.

Fine, Prof, whatever you say. Good luck with that windmill. Oh, by the way, the standard in a criminal case id Proven Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, not what is evident

If they know who it was they likely fired him. I doubt they could do much else unless they caught him stealing. Then, has there ever been a criminal case against a mint employee over such things?

I think if you brought your original argument to a court you would get beat by a first year law student. I do not think a coin struck by a mint employee at the mint while using official dies, planchets, equipment, and paid employees can fall under the definition of counterfeit. If the employee struck the coin and let it go into the struck coin hopper and it went through all the steps and was released into general population then you would likely lose the argument of using government property for personal gain. I expect your conversation will not accomplish much beyond making you feel proud of yourself. In a court of law it is not what is true, nor what is right, but what can be proven.

You haven't heard? Old Ratzie is working on a book and the working title "The Complete Guide to Unknown and Non-existent Varieties and Errors. or Why Am I the Only One to see This $^eeT?" Every day or so he has a new one that is just a common coin. It is getting boring.