Moxie15

I say the PCGS one is AU55 maybe 58. The NGC is a little better MS 60 to 62

...wonder why the OP hasn't answered my question yet. 

I mean, gee wiz, he knows more about this than I. Just trying to learn from him...

On 2/22/2020 at 10:12 PM, GilbertRowland said:

B.C. with respect ,every letter on coin looks triple, nothing else is butt little on nose and the eye,,just wondering, I got a few states quarters, my question  is this would be a common  occurence, because I do search diligently and never seen such coins until I started looking at the state quarters this past month..thanks again

Gilbert, I am not as knowing as you seem to be on such things and I have a question or two.

I have read and been told by several coin experts that United States coin dies are pressed once by the hub. Not several times like in the past. Because of only being struck once by the hub there is no more true doubling or tripling. What we see as and call doubling, as in double ears on Lincoln cents and extra fingers on the reverse of 2009 cents, are caused by the hub slipping against the die blank as it is slightly higher in the center to help facilitate better detail impression.

So my question to you is... How does one explain tripling of all the lettering on a coin if the die is only struck once by the hub and the planchet is struck once by the die?

I would like to see the circular that was finally produced. I once made a suggestion to my manager who always said that she welcomed all suggestions. She responded almost exactly like this letter. 

Funny thing was about six months later she had the same idea and got accolades from her manager on what a good idea. lesson learned.

It may be a die chip, but i think it is damage from a coin rolling machine. To me it looks like metal has moved but it is hard to say from the pic. Is any of the metal loose? 

it's design is unlike any fugio I have seen.

I think it is a replica of some kind

welcome to the forum

cleaning does not need to leave scratches. 

there are many ways to clean a coin and a coin of 160+ years most likely has undergone at least one of the many types of cleaning.

breaks in luster can be a sign of cleaning. The people who looked at this coin have looked at more coins than either you or I and likely saw one or more signs that you or I might miss.

Try to post a picture of the coin so others can intelligently chime in. without a pic we can do nothing better than guess

It is not what I would call a full head. It is a very nice coin none the less. I would gladly own it.

the 'bridge' (circled in yellow) makes it incomplete steps but I have seen far worse graded FS in holders from the other graders. It is a nice coin.

I am unfamiliar with this set. If this was a French set I think it would be called Fleur de Coin. I have several French sets labeled as such. They are not business strike nor a true proof. The best I have been able to come up with is more like a Specimen strike.

You are far more knowledgeable on such topics than I, but, all that I have read shows that the general public preferred paper over gold and silver coins. The reasons seem to much the same as today's reasons, coins were too heavy for daily commerce. I think it was far more likely that people would turn coin in for paper much more often than coin for coin or paper for coin.

I think that like much of Bryant's arguments it was strictly academic with very little connection with day to day reality.

I have also been told that you could exchange silver certificates for silver but not for gold. But, I was not there so I am not able to say for sure.

This coin is a fake, a very poorly executed one.

On the reverse:

The eagles head is too small

The wings are too thin

On the obverse;

The date is 1804 there are only 15 of this date and they are all accounted for

Liberty's head and profile are totally wrong and her nose is too big

There are numerous other tells but theses are glaringly bad

It is true! They were able to fool everyone with their fake gold for decades. 

In 1932 one of the conspirators was arrested by the Missouri State Police and charged with fraud for attempting to sell 'manufactured lead'. The 'lead' would crumble to dust when the ambient temperature dropped below 37 degrees below zero.  In a plea deal he gave up his fellow conspirators in the fake gold scheme. The Police contacted the Army as three of the suspects were Russian Communists and one was a German national.

The Army took the suspect from the State Police and informed them it was an army matter and to let the deal with it. It is very difficult to follow the case from this point but the freedom of information act has released several heavily redacted documents concerning the case. It has been determined that the conspirators were tortured under very un-American circumstances in a foreign country. The information learned was sent to the white house resulting in in the June 1933 removal of the gold standard in the gold confiscation that followed.

The prisoners were never tried in public court or held in civilian jails. They were held in the brig of the battleship USS Arizona, and were known to be aboard the ship on 12/7/41. This is the reason that the US Government allowed Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor. There were explosive placed in the ship during the last re-fitment to make certain that they did not escape...

If you believe any of this I will introduce you to a woman I knew a few years ago who swore the Pearl Harbor part and had a conspiracy theory for everything. 

18 minutes ago, Kirt said:

Ooops. Someone in quality control appears to have been asleep. Based on the picture, I'd send that in for authentication.

why? Does it look fake to you?