KarenHolcomb

Something that has been drilled into my head over on FB is to look for the notches. Of course since my pal Cas left I haven't found a single DD of anything except design features so I probably am talking out of the side of my neck.

I actually have a real life friend named Eric Mucky Muck. Thought I'd share.

I tend to experiment with different methods of cleaning on my really coins. Did y'all know that erasers are a natural material? They can't detect natural stuff when they grade, can they?

You're most welcome. I hope it helps in the future. Wouldn't it be just abfab if you got the 1st attribution of a 2019 Quarter?!

Thanks Tom. Had a few long nights lately and you guys are busy, busy, busy.

I think you need photos that are straight on instead of from an angle. It is much easier to make a coin look Doubled from an angle and nearly impossible straight on. You obviously can take decent pictures so why do it as you have.

Dan O, I think you question might be better answered in the Ask NGC/NCG Forum. I did look at the submission instructions and saw nothing with regard to an invoice number, so maybe that's not something that you would assign yourself especially since you have no way of knowing what number, well you would just have no way of knowing what number your coins would be. So I say leave that blank and they will fill it in.

Hey, it's a sneezing Franklin. You cannot go wrong with a Sneezing Franklin. I love this guy! We should compare oddities. Lol!

One thing to remember Reme84 is that NORMALLY, if the doubling is all over the coin and includes both the characters and the design it is Machine Doubling. Now that's not 100% the case but right around 95% of the time I'd say that's how it is. Also, with the State and Parks Quarters most of the Doubled Dies occur either around Washington's ear or in the design on the Reverse sides, for example you'll see the weeds I have circled on this Bombay Hook, I use it because there aren't any known DD's for the Cumberland YET but the weeds are kinda similar and my Quarter is a Doubled Die. I hope that helps. I tend to be a little windy at times. Happy hunting to you!

Ok, well I am not able to do the gravity test because apparently my scales spoon. I have been trying for 3 hours and haven't gotten the same read twice. And I broke two legs off my tripod. One and I could still work it but two gone is a lost cause. I have never had an issue with my scales before. I must have made at least 100 videos and now I have a headache. I'm not quitting. Only taking a break from it. If y'all wanna try and figure it out, my Zombucks are .999 Copper and weigh 28.98gms. In the water they were averaged at 3.28. I used them because they are nearly exactly the same size in thickness, diameter and weight. The questioned Queen is 28.56gms and in water averaged in at 3.17. My scales won't stay on tare. Idk if it's the water left on the coins or what, but it has me frustrated and I don't like that, so a break I shall take. Until tomorrow then. Maybe I can borrow a scale from someone. Would Triple Beams works?

On 6/26/2019 at 9:43 PM, coinsandmedals said:

Here a few others that I found with pictures that match your coins. I found the others without pictures. The specs are the same for all of them. 

21 hours ago, Dukemnm said:

Aslo not exactly your coin but I was able to find one similar straight from the source. 

https://www.islandstampsandcoins.co.uk/the-1995-aircraft-of-wwii-ps1-mustang-cupro-nickel-coin.html

 

I also reached out to them because it looks like their silver proof coins have identical specifications to the Cupro Nickle. 

We are getting closer to solving this puzzle  

Silver Specs https://www.islandstampsandcoins.co.uk/the-2015-75th-anniversary-of-the-battle-of-britain-silver-coin.html

They also mint collectibles in something they call Nickle Silver. 

 

 

Hey Dukemnm, this is helpful as mine do have a very mirrorlike finish and were received in airtight holders. I took them out to photograph them. I just figure anyone could have put them in there. As soon as I am up and at em I will try this gravity test and let you know. Thanks a bunch, that was definitely above and beyond.

13 hours ago, coinsandmedals said:

Here a few others that I found with pictures that match your coins. I found the others without pictures. The specs are the same for all of them. 

10 hours ago, Dukemnm said:

Aslo not exactly your coin but I was able to find one similar straight from the source. 

https://www.islandstampsandcoins.co.uk/the-1995-aircraft-of-wwii-ps1-mustang-cupro-nickel-coin.html

 

I also reached out to them because it looks like their silver proof coins have identical specifications to the Cupro Nickle. 

We are getting closer to solving this puzzle  

Silver Specs https://www.islandstampsandcoins.co.uk/the-2015-75th-anniversary-of-the-battle-of-britain-silver-coin.html

They also mint collectibles in something they call Nickle Silver. 

 

 

Hey Dukemnm, this is helpful as mine do have a very mirrorlike finish and were received in airtight holders. I took them out to photograph them. I just figure anyone could have put them in there. As soon as I am up and at em I will try this gravity test and let you know. Thanks a bunch, that was definitely above and beyond.

44 minutes ago, coinsandmedals said:

Here a few others that I found with pictures that match your coins. I found the others without pictures. The specs are the same for all of them. 

Hey Coinsandmedals! Glad to see you Friend. Dukeman also linked me to the Numista site and I had been there also. My question now, and I am so freakin confused that idek if it is a valid question anymore, is how can the Silver and the Cupronickel weigh the same? And also why can we find these coins at all anywhere if the site for the Isle Of Man doesn't list them in their history with all the rest of their coins?

Well spoon!  You guys don't have to keep at this. I know your time is valuable and may be better spent helping the rest of the Newbies. I am at a loss as I don't have y'alls resources or knowledge so I don't see how much further I can go with it. Between me, all of you, and 3 guys from my FB Group we have likely exhausted any available resources that we know. So if you want to quit I certainly won't hold it against any of you. And I totally do appreciate all the hard work and research you've done.

Here is a 'complete' history of the Isle of Mann. At the bottom is supposed to be every coin produced there and nowhere are there Planes of WWII, which made me remember my first thoughts that they are counterfeit. Couldn't they be made from Tungsten lime my friends Morgan?

And Dukeman, I did not forget your link to Numista.com. But it shows the same weights for Cupro that all the other sites we've found show for Silver, so I am Leary there

Well alright. Yes, I will then accept that they are probably cupronickel. Idk what specific gravity or an XRF gun are but if the tissue test is close to 100% then I should accept that. I gotta admit I didn't expect all this controversy. Now the main thing that has got me still so against it is that none of us have been able to even find these 5 coins online anywhere in Cupronickel. We have all, as well as several others, found them in Silver and have found plenty of different coins in Cupro, but not these 5. Surely that are not so rare that photos are unavailable or so popular that every single set was sold and not a single set has come up for resale? I mean, I found information about a one of a kind Token that was known to have existed but had never been photographed for a guy and found the guy that had the other similar ones from that particular town. So why can't I find anything on these?

Hey, that's no problem. Y'all got me looking even further into it and I didn't get a headache this time.

And so we are all in agreement, even with the tissue test, that I have the silver set? 

Thank you all so much for your responses and help in figuring this mystery out.

It wouldn't allow me to add a shot of the edge before. Top is Elizabeth II and bottom is Ike.

Okie doke. I am more cornfused than ever. I had been to all the above links given in my searches. So they weigh in as Silver but look less silver than a Clad Ike under a tissue. Go figure. Probably are some kind of new Chinese secret metal.

11 hours ago, Just Bob said:

This is a quote from an earlier thread, posted by Conder101:

 

"Tissue test. Put a single layer of tissue paper over them.  Clad proofs will appear gray, silver proofs will appear white.  This works whether they are in their original cases or not.  A quick easy test and good if it isn't possible to see the edge or weigh them." 

6 hours ago, Dukemnm said:

Here are some standard specs for the silver coins from that mint. 

Metal	Proof Fine 999. Silver
Diameter	38.60mm
Weight	31.103gms
Issue Limit	10,000

 

and these are for the Cupronickel coins 

Metal	Uncirculated Cupro Nickel
Diameter	38.60mm
Weight	28.28gms
Issue Limit	Unlimited

Source: https://www.pobjoy.com/us/products/view/isle-of-man-2015-selkirk-rex-cat-uncirculated-cupro-nickel-coin

hope this helps 

 

 

So then mine weigh in as Cupronickel. But eBay was selling silver ones and they advertised the weights as like 28. 28 I think.

11 hours ago, Just Bob said:

This is a quote from an earlier thread, posted by Conder101:

 

"Tissue test. Put a single layer of tissue paper over them.  Clad proofs will appear gray, silver proofs will appear white.  This works whether they are in their original cases or not.  A quick easy test and good if it isn't possible to see the edge or weigh them." 

Well, my Clad looks yellow and the one in question is grey. Ike on the left and Elizabeth II ON the right. So possibly not Silver.

Ok. Greenstang and Conder, where did y'all even get this information because I found nothing except the individual silver coins. I did think there were either 12 or 19. Where I got that at idk because I was on so many sites.

Conder, you say the cupronickel should weigh in about 4g less than silver then I must have Silver, right? Mine weigh in at: 2-28.45, 1-28.48, 1-28.56, and finally 1 at a whopping 28.82. So then they are Silver. Humph! Who'd have guessed that I would get such a deal. I should probably give him some more for them. Poor guy sold everything including his house to bury his mom and his luck has been since. 

Bob, I have no idea what the tissue test is or if it works on Proofs. I am willing to take the test if you tell me what it is, but only on the one that I did the ping test on. Lol!

Thanks a bunch fellows. I always come to you guys when it counts and you never have let me down. You guys are great.

Ok. Ok. I may have mislead you. Here is what I bought and they aren't anything as nice or commonly counterfeited as a Morgan Dollar or Mercury Dime. Just some, I guess, Canadian, WWII Commemoratives that I assumed were Silver except the COA said Cupro-nickel. I can't find them online anywhere as a set but did separately on Ebay and those are all Silver. There was one site in Great Britain but my browser said it was dangerous and I wasn't willing to risk being hacked over 50 bucks. You know, Guy showed up here at 7am, hungry and needing gas money so I did a quick online check, saw silver, fed him and gave him $50. So, I mean Karma will smile on me and I'm not really out too much, I'd just like to know if they are silver or not. The weights for silver ones are 28.28 and mine range from 28.48-28.82. Again, I can't find them in this cupro-nickel to have any data.  Honestly it isn't a giant deal, I would just like to know whether to take care with them or toss them into the bowl with the Morgan and Mercury my friend found in an old car(they are definitely counterfeits). I did a drop test with one of them and it sounded nothing like the fake Morgan I have which I was told is likely Tungsten and not exactly like a genuine Morgan either, although there is a high ping it just isn't quite the same as the ping of one of my Morgans. Honestly, at this point I am too cheap to put out any real cash on anything, especially without doing research. I am still a bit green but not that green. Lol! So here is a collage. The Obverse is the same on them all.

Thanks JKK. Do you know somewhere I can look, like a website, to see a list of frequently counterfeiters coins? I'm just not so sure these aren't silver. There is ALWAYS a weight allowance on coins, right? I mean to say that there is no way for every coin of a particular type to be exactly like 28.24oz? Right?