On 7/8/2021 at 9:25 PM, SlickCoins said:

I'm not sure about it,,, but I found some stuff on it, yes marks also but after reading this, I don't think I'd grade it.

Hope this helps

Bolivia 1/2, 1, 2, 4, and 8 Reales 1814 to 1825

You might have an 8 reales (8R) coin from Bolivia, John. These old beauties are part of a major group of collectible coins known as Spanish Colonials. These were minted in 1/2, 1, 2, 4, and 8 reales denominations, most of which look similar but have different sizes. You can tell the denomination by the 'R' marking: R = 1/2 real, 1R = 1 real, 2R = 2 reales, 4R, and 8R.

Spanish colonial coins were minted throughout the New World, including Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Guatemala, Mexico, and Peru. All these coins look roughly alike, except for subtle differences that are discerned by experts. The coins you see most often in the United States come from Mexico, as indicated by the Mo (large M with small o on top) mint mark. The primary Bolivian mint was at Potosi, as indicated by the PTS monogram shown in the picture.

As to value, we offer the follow catalog values for coins with no damage, like spots, stains, cleanings, nicks, scratches, and gouges; such damaged coins are worth very little.

1/2 REAL (17 mm diameter)
worn: $8 US dollars catalog value
average circulated: $30
well preserved: $60
1/2 reals dated 1814 and 1815 are more rare; double these values

1 REAL (21 mm diameter)
worn: $8 US dollars catalog value
average circulated: $30
well preserved: $50

2 REALES (28 mm diameter)
worn: $12 US dollars catalog value
average circulated: $50
well preserved: $110

4 REALES (34 mm diameter)
worn: $30 US dollars catalog value
average circulated: $130
well preserved: $300
4 reales coins dated 1825 are more rare, multiply these values by three

8 REALES (39 mm diameter)
worn: $30 US dollars catalog value
average circulated: $80
well preserved: $200
8 reales coins dated 1811PJ are very rare, cataloging at $12000 in average circulated condition
8 reales coins dated 1813 with FERDIN IIV instead of FERDIN VII are more rare, multiply values by four
8 reales coins dated 1824 dn 1825 are more rare, multiply these values by four

If you are interested (or become interested) in Spanish Colonials, be sure to visit an eBay seller known as SPB (click here for the eBay page). They have a lot of nice examples and have plenty of expertise in this specialized area.

These are catalog values, Actual value will vary. Read our Terminology page for an explanation.

I thank you very much very helpful

On 7/8/2021 at 10:06 PM, JKK said:

It's a 1/16 real, Mexico city. Copper, and yours looks very cleaned with modest wear. I suspect it would come back VF details, cleaned, and I doubt it would pay to have it slabbed.

Thank you

Not too sure if i should move forward for grading i cant find any solds with similar condition or value idea? ill appreciate it guys

12 minutes ago, MARK RAMIREZ said:

This is so much help. I will check out TAMS, I got one more rare token in which i did send off for grading last week ill post it momentarily Heritage Auctions apologized for not finding info and Stack Bowers were not sure including other collectors and me just curious what they say. stand by 

1 minute ago, MARK RAMIREZ said:

This is gold info for me on tokens and interesting I'm loving it. Thank you

Here is a major challenge for sure is a mystery unknown token I gave up on finding info check it out 

32 minutes ago, Mr.Bill347 said:

Do you mean like this one on EBay? It is interesting though, I looked through thousands of token images and couldn’t find anything similar. Is it the same on both sides? They used them in the civil war, prisons, cigar stores, arcades,  normally som3 kind of ID. Not on this one. I found this “ quote on a very similar token”

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Pickers Tokens / Checks have been in use since the civil war era of the 1860's. They came into use on farms and orchards because many of the farm workers did not speak English and/or could not do math. As a worker would pick the crop, they would turn in the pint, quart, peck, bushel, bag, etc of produce and receive a token of some value. At the end of the day, the worker would exchange the tokens for cash.     Many times, the token will have ie: 1 P or 1 QT or 1 B. This equates to 1 pint / 1 peck or 1 quart or 1 bushel / 1 bag. Others will simply have a number without the unit of measure. Tokens with a number only were normally used on farms that had only one product such as a strawberry farm or a tomato farm.     A few farms had the farm name on the token while others had the initials of the farm or owners on the tokens, but most had nothing identifying the farm where they were used.

This is gold info for me on tokens and interesting I'm loving it. Thank you

1 hour ago, JKK said:

You might be surprised to find out what a big thing exonumia is. At our club, seems like half the presentations are about tokens. We've got one guy who is probably Oregon's foremost expert on those from this state. They love this stuff and have a lot of knowledge in TAMS.

This is so much help. I will check out TAMS, I got one more rare token in which i did send off for grading last week ill post it momentarily Heritage Auctions apologized for not finding info and Stack Bowers were not sure including other collectors and me just curious what they say. stand by 

1 hour ago, Mr.Bill347 said:

Do you mean like this one on EBay? It is interesting though, I looked through thousands of token images and couldn’t find anything similar. Is it the same on both sides? They used them in the civil war, prisons, cigar stores, arcades,  normally som3 kind of ID. Not on this one

You found it! yea 10c on both sides wow Thank you Sirr. Not worth grading right?

4 minutes ago, JKK said:

That one might be tough. You might have to contact TAMS and see if they have a forum where you can ask. Most trade tokens have some sort of indication of where they might be valid, and this doesn't have any such thing. Don't assume it's somewhere in the US; in my search through a couple hundred, I found many that were non-US.

Ok I'm going to do just that.. Curiosity is killing the Cat.  Thank you sirr

I cant find info, Anyone know of this mystery Token? ill appreciate 

Thanks guys i appreciate it 

43 minutes ago, RWB said:

I'm sure others will offer opinions, too. It's a nice 1/2-p.

And comparing tone surface with this one https://coins.ha.com/itm/south-africa/world-coins/south-africa-george-vi-4-piece-certified-1-2-penny-issues-1945-ngc-total-4-coins-/a/271843-36111.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

18 minutes ago, RWB said:

I'm sure others will offer opinions, too. It's a nice 1/2-p.

Yes it is i compare with this one but not sure https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/8133/?utm_source=Marketo&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=NGC eNews April 2020&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTXpVeVpXWXhOREEyWkRBNSIsInQiOiJaNStxaUphVDVXaFhHRFczdkJBU0VaMXN4MnRzMGxKcTVIMVwvalwvZDBDZGliYkRZVXRGb2tYbWtsdTdGc2hjMVllUTNrSUpvN3RPSXRMVFhqUkVYSGtxeXpKNWZweERXdHp5TnpRK2ZIcGxBbjkwRFFpQjFcLysrYXlrTU40eHNMayJ9

6 minutes ago, RWB said:

It's a circulation strike. Has no characteristics common to a proof coin of that era.

Thank you sirr

I need help on this coin if its a proof or regular strike. It appears so, sharper struck? Thanks for your help in advance

7 minutes ago, Greenstang said:

I'm not going to say if it is or not but I will say that there is no way that you could prove it without it being certified and no TPG is going to certify it without it being 100% clear that it is a 1943 which is in doubt.

I am currently looking for someone legit who can help me prove this to submit . 

3 minutes ago, bsshog40 said:

I really can't even make out the last 2 numbers. And I believe what you are seeing is not a 3 as the 3 is not even in the location or angle that a minted 3 would be. Sometimes our eyes see what we want them to see. The odds of finding a 1943 copper penny is extremely rare. 

But what if? ill put another pic for the last 2 digits

I need feedback please

28 minutes ago, bsshog40 said:

I see no pics!

I accidently repost a second one please see the other post with pictures

Hey Guys i found this coin in bank roll searching i need feedback because I'm having trouble locally to have a pro check it out or they don't wanna bother because its a fake supposedly. Anyways after doing research and talking to ex Mint Employees and i am almost certain this coin is legit. According to Error Refrence.com it says: (Die Deterioration/Deformation Errors Design-Devouring Die Wear) Die wear that results in the lowering, thinning, and disappearance of design elements.  Conventional die wear usually results in the expansion of letters and numbers, which is often accompanied by indistinct and irregular margins.  In design-devouring die wear, letters and numbers become lower, thinner, and smaller, while retaining their shape.  This pattern of design distortion is caused by a retreat of the field portion of the die down to the deepest levels of the die’s recesses.  Letters and numbers are narrowest at the bottom of their respective recesses.

THE 6TH, 7TH AND 8TH PICTURE I I USED A FISHEYE LENSE APP TO ENLARGE & BRING OUT THE LAST DIGIT 3?

Ill appreciate the help in which i need THANK YOU!

Hey Guys i found this coin in bank roll searching i need feedback because I'm having trouble locally to have a pro check it out or they don't wanna bother because its a fake supposedly. Anyways after doing research and talking to ex Mint Employees and i am almost certain this coin is legit. According to Error Refrence.com it says: (Die Deterioration/Deformation Errors Design-Devouring Die Wear) Die wear that results in the lowering, thinning, and disappearance of design elements.  Conventional die wear usually results in the expansion of letters and numbers, which is often accompanied by indistinct and irregular margins.  In design-devouring die wear, letters and numbers become lower, thinner, and smaller, while retaining their shape.  This pattern of design distortion is caused by a retreat of the field portion of the die down to the deepest levels of the die’s recesses.  Letters and numbers are narrowest at the bottom of their respective recesses.

THE 6TH, 7TH AND 8TH PICTURE I I USED A FISHEYE LENSE APP TO ENLARGE & BRING OUT THE LAST DIGIT 3?

Ill appreciate the help in which i need THANK YOU!

Darn, i appreciate the feedback guys thanks

17.8 mm sirr  foreign?

6 minutes ago, bsshog40 said:

It does look like a type one planchet. The only problem I see is if it's magnetic, it would have to be a 1943 planchet. A 1943 planchet weighs 2.7g. Can you put a pair of calipers to it and see what size it is? A 1942 planchet is 19mm. 

Ok ill go to my garage and look for one stand by 

Thanks, someone else said It's a type 1 planchet?