ProfHaroldHill

It seems a slim chance that NGC will take action based on a post here. If I were you I would send an email to NGC explaining the situation as you did here, and ask them for clarification about the signature(s). When you get the reply, forward it to everyone at ebay who you've had email contact with so far. Include a polite note telling them that if you don't receive a full credit/payment for the coin, (or the sender be required to return the coin to you,) that you will have "no choice but to seek counsel in order to recover the value of the item and the costs associated with that recovery". (If you want to, you can also point out that there are many other ebay users, current AND former, who have no doubt suffered losses from this most unfair practice.) The fact you don't accept returns should not have been used as a reason for the buyers being allowed to keep the item and the money. You might also send them all a link to this thread. That last recommendation worked quite well for a fellow forumite 'across the street', (who was dealing with APMEX.) Someone from the company actually signed up to the PCGS chat board just to reply to the thread, explaining why the problem had occurred. Welcome to the boards, CTEVN!

You can only help the body develop immunity to a viral infection, because the process of immune response to the virus is how we kill it off inside us. You cannot take a medicine and have it simply die off. It probably wouldn't be a good idea to do so anyway, since the body would not acquire immune memory of the virus if you popped a pill that cured it. Bacterial infections can be 'cured' by use of antibiotic medicines which actually kill the bacteria. The problem with fighting viruses is that they do not reproduce like bacteria. Viruses commandeer the body's own cells to replicate, since they lack full DNA and cannot on their own reproduce themselves. The number of viral copies produced by infected cells are so large in numbers that mutations are relatively common. In the arms race between our DNA and viral pathogens, we are very slow to change, but DNA holds coded information for thousands of virus types that have hit us hard in our ancestral past. Inherited immunity works far more quickly than acquired immunity, (and thus the infected person appears asymptomatic,) because the cells 'recognize' the virus as being virtually identical to one in its 'encyclopedia' of viruses. Acquired immunity only happens after the body successfully fights off an antigen, (an ANTIbody GENerator, in this case the new virus,) and the battle produces the symptoms. The production of antibodies tailored specifically to fight the new virus results in acquired immunity against that single virus. ('Germ' is a generic term used for infectious microorganisms, and includes both bacteria and viruses.)

The treatment for covid is the same as the treatment for other viral pathogens: Bed rest, lots of fluids, and if your symptoms become severe, immediately see a medical professional. The treatment is just like that for the myriad of viruses that cause 'the flu'. The replicative power of viruses far outpaces the ability of humans to craft a mechanical response. Waiting for a 'cure' to viral infections is hopeless. The greatest defense humans have is in their biological response, (and the acquired immunity that gives,) as well as the inherited immunity that the majority of infected humans have indicated, post-infection. If you are indeed a statistical analyst brg5658, then you are aware that the average person attending the Long Beach show has a greater likelihood of dying in a car accident than they do of getting covid at Long Beach and dying from that. For the overwhelming majority of humans, this pandemic will end without them having been impacted in the slightest by the disease itself. But the World Health Organization has now recognized what some of us predicted at the start. That the Orwellian response is doing more harm than good. They have pointed out that there is a disproportionate burden borne by the young and the disadvantaged, and that the people should no longer be 'locked down' at all. The vulnerable should be protected, sequestered in some cases. Since this 'lockdown' madness began, the siren at our volunteer Firehall has been activated just about three times as often as is normal. Domestic violence and suicides have risen to unprecedented levels, (all over the world.) In the past ten calendar days alone, I have had to listen to radio calls describing scenes once so rare here that a year could go by without one. "...Maintaining compressions, getting a gurgling sound. Handgun on a chair next to the bed. We can't roll the patient over until {name} arrives to help." That was the first. The second call was of a desperate attempt to halt the slow collapse of the central nervous system brought on by opioid overdose. Chemical versus chemical in a battle that only time resolves. Not always in favor of the desperate soul seeking to leave behind what they see as a world imperiled and doomed. I won't quote anything from that call. Because 'covid' does not at all impact the healthy breeding age population, covid is in no way a threat to our species. It will not, because it can not, ever sweep the world killing vast numbers of healthy people. Covid attacks the exact same vulnerable population as the viruses that give us our "cold and flu season" each year. It appears to hit that population somewhat harder, but we can't have any REAL science on that until we get a study that factors in the marked decline in the health of the average elder. The 'baby boomers' are not ageing gracefully. The sedentary lifestyles and poor dietary choices, (and use of alcohol, tobacco, etc.) have resulted in an obvious, but as yet unmeasured, increased vulnerability in the aged population. It was the initial, knee-jerk reaction to the incomplete early data that caused the real damage in this pitiable episode in human history. But "the facts", are now trickling out. From them we can see that the '15 minutes of fame' for a lot of people, is in the process of running out.

Do you mean that the US Mint contracts out the testing, and that the one die they mentioned never saw service at the US Mint? That would make the term restrike, inappropriate, wouldn't it...

A 'clipped' planchet error coin from Great Britain. Notice that the coin lacks the so-called Blakesly effect. This was a well made coin, was struck properly, and was made from a high quality planchet. (Good alloying, proper annealing, etc.) The metal easily filled out the die opposite the missing metal, so there was no Blakesly effect.

Samuel died in 1931, so I imagine you're correct. This catalog was from the brothers tenth year in business together. They were once employed by John Haseltine, while still teens. They must have entered the business with a true love of the hobby.

Not wanting to take the thread on a tangent, but if the reverse of those is identical to the 1795 US coinage, and they are being offered "in commerce", they must bear the word COPY 'incuse' to the surface. The "clearly marked date of manufacture", which can be used instead of COPY, (unless they changed the HPA,) has not been interpreted by a court as meaning the "YEAR of manufacture". In fact, there's a thread over at CU/PCGS forums somewhere way back when, where an HPA civil suit is discussed. In that case, the replica US Silver Eagle rounds that the plaintiffs filed against, all had the current year on their face, (just like the real ones!) Yet the defendants were essentially forced to stop making them, and they agreed to destroy the dies. Did their lawyers not try to show they were compliant due to the DOM being on each replica? If "year of manufacture" alone is indeed held to be HPA compliant, then anyone can order high-quality, (actual 1 oz silver, or it's fraud,) fake ASE's from one of the mints in China, and sell them without mentioning they are replicas. HPA doesn't say you have to disclose anything in marketing text or speech, only that you must mark them COPY (or have indicated the date of manufacture,) before offering them for sale.

Don't know if you noticed but that's not the US Mint. It's a private mint that claims to have obtained a single, uncancelled "obverse" die once used to make test 'coins' for the Sacajawea dollar issue. They have paired that with a die of their own concoction and are stamping out rounds with the pair. They're certainly nothing like the 1804 Restrike US dollars, but then the hobby seems to accept the term "restrike" for the '1861' Confederate Cent and others, even tho they were privately made. But I believe those used both dies, not just one. I couldn't find info on whether or not they had added anything to the design on the one die they say is original. These certainly aren't actual pattern or test pieces... At best they are a, 'partial restrike done outside the US Mint', (IMO.) The company states a limit of 100 pieces will be struck, (200 pcs in another spot, but perhaps they mean the 2-pcx set,) ...but unless/until they cancel the die, that is simply marketing hype.

And I haven't even posted pix yet of the 'third side' of the coin! (Corn WILL be popped!) We bad.

To answer the question you directed to me, I would say it was the fact that I once spent almost ten minutes on the phone with PCGS, (two different people, one a grader,) regarding a gold coin that I had just received back from them. Granted, that was back in the early 1990's and maybe that has changed. Still, for some matters a detailed analysis need only be a few sentences.

Let him examine it in person first. He has offered to let me send it in for 'research and study', and I have accepted the opportunity afforded by that gracious offer.

Eight years ago when I first learned of incomplete clips, (via that thread,) it seemed to perhaps explain why the missing lamination had broken away along a curved line. If the planchet had been the product of a flawed blanking process, it would explain why the edge of the missing piece was curved. Placing another nickel on top of the reverse, the rough circular edge matches the overlayed nickel's edge. The breakaway stays within the area that could be expected to break away, if the underlying fault plane had been previously severed by the punch's first attempt at making a blank. But the obverse 'curved line', though beginning where it should if it were an IC planchet, soon parts ways with the line on the reverse, straying toward parallelism with its host's own edge and then fading as it enters the area of the hair. For my 2012 'theory', (an inspiration right after I understood the IC planchet phenom, just before my post that day,) ...of its being an IC planchet to pass muster, the deviation in the curved line on the obverse, and it's disappearance, both have to be explained, simply and reasonably. While it could be suggested that the depth of the die in the hair area is deep enough to have allowed such metal flow as would eliminate the 'line' from the original flaw, there is too much deviation in the curvature of the line, to explain it away as the movement of metal during the moment of striking. This isn't news to you, Insider, I know, but I wanted to explain my thinking both originally, and then as I realized the first idea was most likely wrong. Lacking a sufficient defense, my original idea had to be dramatically altered or eliminated. I had nothing more. But the tone and mood over at CU PCGS US Coins forum was/is such that going back to the CU board later on, for further discussion, would likely have borne no fruit. One very nice thing about that thread was the fact I was thereafter able to quite possibly explain what happened to my 1911-P Lincoln Cent, (shown in another thread.)

The Kennedy half dollar actually has two 'clips', the larger one very easy to see, the second, at the 6 in the date and second S in STATES, harder to spot. The angle pic, of the coin resting on the nickels, captures it. The PMD Indian Cent, my best guess, was done by a dental student. Practicing filling cavities(?) Best I can come up with anyway.

It's Tuesday on the east coast, US, even if it's still Monday here. The Rockport Hotel was built in 1901 by AV Pressentin, for the terminus of the new railroad, running upriver along the Skagit river, from the small town of Sedro Woolley, Washington. Later on a tavern was added. (Probably where this is from.) The hotel burned to the ground in 1952.

FW did comment 'PMD', some time after I had posted it to the thread, but there was no further discussion about the coin itself, after that, and FW didn't comment any further. My initial thoughts on the coin were dismissed by the board regulars, after FW posted his one-word comment, ("'PMD'") When I posted another odd coin, (the 1902 Indian Cent we discussed in the other thread,) no one offered any opinions.

Thanks! I'm glad to read that. I'll do that, with the 1911. That 1921-S was actually disappointing to turn over and find the missing lamination. It's probably worth less as a minor error than an unscarred 1921-S is, in the same grade.

At the area where the 'line' meets the rim, the metal creates a shelf where the line crosses the rim. You could insert a very thin blade between the two layers of metal. The top portion of LIBERTY is perfectly formed but is similar to FIVE CENTS on the reverse, in that it is set below the plane of the original surface.

The metal is actually gone, it wasn't moved around on the surface.

Money happened to the hobby. It's never been the same since then.

It might be the one that @Moxie15 linked to, but there was no discussion about the nickel, as I recall. It wasn't my thread, so rather than disagree with Fred Weinberg after his post, I let diplomacy rule the day. I had also actually told someone else I'd accept his, FWs, opinion, sure that he would say that he would want to see it in person, (in which case I would have sent it in.) Probably would have been poor form to counter his brief post in reply.

Not many, perhaps, but those who read the childish post by physics fan are due a note by me in reply. That whole genius business is a blessing and a curse.

No, none of the coins I've posted have been in to either NGC or PCGS, (the only two I use.) I will probably send the 1903 tapered planchet Indian cent, the 1911 Lincoln, and my unstruck Large cent planchet in for verification/authentication, for a start. Not sure yet which of the two TPG's I'll send them to.

Of course, but if they were simply stuck together the edge of the coin and the other side would show indications of the chemical damage. Also, the area at far left, at the rim out in front of the bison's face, is in places a very thin 'shelf'. The corner of a razor blade could slip under it at a few places. It appears that a large piece of the lamination came free all at once, with smaller bits and pieces coming loose in the area I just described, as the coin circulated.

@Moxie15 This is a better image of the reverse. Note that at the left side ending of the curved line, it disappears just before it gets to the rim, then reappears and continues briefly, along the rim. That says, to me anyway, that the 'line' was there before the planchet was struck.

Gem coins with original surfaces and nice luster are always sweet to my eyes. Your '30 dime is awesome, beautiful color, and the strike and luster on the '27-D is first class!