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Wow - what great acquisitions. I was possibly the underbidder for the 1800 (assassination), maybe it was another. I put it out of my memory.
The 1773 Virginia half penny is a 25 M correct?
So many nice ones, I am not sure which one is my favorite. Well done.

I consider the following three coins to be a single purchase. All of the holders are very scuffed.
1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Ackey - Ex. James Watt Jr. - NGC PF-66 BN

1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Quarter Ackey – Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC PF-67 BN

1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Tackoe - Ex. James Watt Jr. NGC PF-67 BN

Here is the entire set in a single image:

Wow, 2023 was a particularly productive numismatic year. Not only did I attend FUN for the first time, but I also took the opportunity to attend the Token Congress after spending a few days exploring all that London had to offer. Although I did not buy much, I made several new friends and thoroughly enjoyed the varied lectures while sipping on a pint of true English ale. In sum, I added well north of a hundred new pieces to my collection. Of those, 11 came from the Watt Jr. Collection, and 3 resided in the Boulton family holdings. There is something very cool about owning a piece that once belonged to the proprietors of the Soho Mint for nearly two centuries before making its way to the market. I am pushing the boundaries of brevity, but since I have not posted here much lately, I opted to share my top 30 acquisitions from 2023. These are presented in the order in which I purchased them. Please note that in almost every instance, the marks you see in the photo are on the holder.
Of the 30 pieces below, only 4 were not struck at the Soho Mint. Can you figure out which ones?
1803 Ireland Wexford Enniscorthy Halfpenny – Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC PF-66 BN

1791 England Hampshire Portsmouth Halfpenny – Ex. Boulton Family – NGC MS-63 BN

1803 Madras 1 Cash Bronzed Proof - Ex. Puddester Collection – NGC PF-65 BN

1792 France 5 Sol Maz-145 - PCGS MS-64 BN

1792 France 2 Sol Maz-157 - NGC MS-63+ BN PL (NGC's images) 

1805 Ireland Gilt Proof Halfpenny

1803 Madras Presidency 1 Cash - PCGS MS-64 BN

1792 France 5 Sol Maz-150 - PCGS MS-64 BN

1782 Ireland Halfpenny – NGC MS-66 BN

1806 Great Britain Farthing – Ex. James Watt Jr. - NGC PF-66 BN

1805 Ireland Penny Plain Edge Restrike – Ex. James Watt Jr. - NGC PF-65 BN (Very scuffed holder)

1805 Bank of Ireland 10 Pence Token - Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC MS-65 (Very scuffed holder)

1803 Boydell’s Shakespeare’s Works Medal – Struck in Copper 

1823 Ireland Proof Halfpenny - PCGS PR-64+ BN

1792 France 5 Sol Maz-150 - PCGS SP-64 BN

1822 Argentina Decimo Pattern - NGC PF-65 BN (Very scuffed holder)

 
1806 Bahamas Penny NGC PF-65 BN (Very scuffed holder)

1796 Scotland Angusshire Dundee Bronzed Proof Halfpenny D&H 12 – Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC PF-65 BN

1796 England Token Cornwall Penryn Bronzed Proof Halfpenny D&H 4 – Ex. Boulton Family

1794 Scotland Invernesshire Inverness Bronzed Proof Halfpenny D&H 2a – Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC PF-63 BN

1793 Scotland Invernesshire Inverness Halfpenny D&H 1b – Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC MS-63 RB

1800 George III Preserved from Assassination Medal (with shells) – NGC MS-66BN (Very scuffed holder)

1796 Scotland Angusshire Dundee Halfpenny Bronzed Proof D&H 13 – PCGS PR-64BN

1791 Scotland Lanarkshire Glasgow Halfpenny D&H 2 (Coin Alignment) – Ex. James Watt Jr.

1791 Scotland Lanarkshire Glasgow Halfpenny D&H 2 (Medal Alignment) – Ex. James Watt Jr.

1791 England Cornwall County Bronzed Proof Halfpenny D&H 2 – Ex. Boulton Family

1790 Scotland Lothian Edinburgh Hutchison's Halfpenny D&H 24 – Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC MS-64 RB

1773 Virginia Halfpenny

1805 Boulton's Trafalgar Medal Struck in Copper – Presentation Piece

I consider the following three coins to be a single purchase. All of the holders are very scuffed.
1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Ackey - Ex. James Watt Jr. - NGC PF-66 BN

1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Quarter Ackey – Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC PF-67 BN

1796 African Gold Coast Bronzed Proof Tackoe - Ex. James Watt Jr. NGC PF-67 BN

Here is the entire set in a single image:

Very fine line-up!  Of note, the date on the obverse of the 4th  piece, [14 July 1790] marks the first anniversary of the French Revolution. I would guess the French coins, and the Irish penny were not products of the Soho Mint.  (Incidentally, an asterisk should appear next to the reference to FUN, and a note a la Sandon reading: "Attendance courtesy of Mrs. Spud.")  🤣

1792 France 5 Sol Maz-150 - PCGS MS-64 BN

1782 Ireland Halfpenny – NGC MS-66 BN

1806 Great Britain Farthing – Ex. James Watt Jr. - NGC PF-66 BN

1805 Ireland Penny Plain Edge Restrike – Ex. James Watt Jr. - NGC PF-65 BN (Very scuffed holder)

1805 Bank of Ireland 10 Pence Token - Ex. James Watt Jr. – NGC MS-65 (Very scuffed holder)

I was watching a television show based in Oxford England. One of the haunts frequently visited was called the Eagle and Child. This reminded me of a story and coins from the Isle of Man. A very brief summary is below:
            The Eagle and Child  is a pub in England. It has associations with a writers' group which included J.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis.

The first record of the pub's name is from 1684 and is said to be derived from the legend of Ganymede being abducted by the eagle of Zeus or from the crest of the Earl of Derby, with is a story of a noble-born baby found in an eagle's nest. The child was called Oskatel and was found by Sir Thomas Latham, who became the father-in-law to Sir John Stanley. 
Sir John Stanley was the Lord of Man (Isle of Man). His great grandson, Lord Thomas, was the first Earl of Derby.
The coins below were minted to recognize James Stanley, the 10th Earl of Derby, who bore the title "Lord of Man” or “King of Man". The eagle and baby (Oskatel Latham) were taken from the Latham coat of arms. After Sir John Stanley married Isabelle Latham the eagle and baby were incorporated into the Stanley coat of arms.
Cast 1709 Half Pence
1733 Silver Half Pence
1733 Silver Pence
 
 
 

Pretty coins.     I might gravitate towards the 1823, but only slightly.

Both....Now you have a complete set, too!

Have you ever bought a coin on a whim that doesn’t fit with the rest of your collection? I am certainly guilty of doing this. A great example is the bronzed proof 1822 Irish Halfpenny I use as my avatar. This quickly became one of my favorite pieces, but I always assumed it would be a one-off. I never expected to complete the two-year series mostly because I thought the 1822 would be too difficult to properly match. As luck would have it, I recently acquired its equally attractive counterpart, a proof 1823 Irish Halfpenny with the same beautiful blue toning. Which of the two do you like the best? 

Have you ever bought a coin on a whim that doesn’t fit with the rest of your collection? I am certainly guilty of doing this. A great example is the bronzed proof 1822 Irish Halfpenny I use as my avatar. This quickly became one of my favorite pieces, but I always assumed it would be a one-off. I never expected to complete the two-year series mostly because I thought the 1822 would be too difficult to properly match. As luck would have it, I recently acquired its equally attractive counterpart, a proof 1823 Irish Halfpenny with the same beautiful blue toning. Which of the two do you like the best? 

It’s been 10 years? Wow, I had no idea. 

It’s been 10 years? Wow, I had no idea. 

How do you choose a favorite between those two? Great looking pair!

The 1822 stands out for me. Very nice.
 
 

Those are both stunning. Very hard to choose. If I absolutely had to pick Id pick the 1822. Congratulations on being luky enough to add both those beauties to your collection. Love the blueish toning. 

I like them both.  Does it seem like you've been a member for 10 years?

Have you ever bought a coin on a whim that doesn’t fit with the rest of your collection? I am certainly guilty of doing this. A great example is the bronzed proof 1822 Irish Halfpenny I use as my avatar. This quickly became one of my favorite pieces, but I always assumed it would be a one-off. I never expected to complete the two-year series mostly because I thought the 1822 would be too difficult to properly match. As luck would have it, I recently acquired its equally attractive counterpart, a proof 1823 Irish Halfpenny with the same beautiful blue toning. Which of the two do you like the best? 

Have you ever bought a coin on a whim that doesn’t fit with the rest of your collection? I am certainly guilty of doing this. A great example is the bronzed proof 1822 Irish Halfpenny I use as my avatar. This quickly became one of my favorite pieces, but I always assumed it would be a one-off. I never expected to complete the two-year series mostly because I thought the 1822 would be too difficult to properly match. As luck would have it, I recently acquired its equally attractive counterpart, a proof 1823 Irish Halfpenny with the same beautiful blue toning. Which of the two do you like the best? 

I fervently disagree with most of your points, and they highlight an inadequate understanding, or a complete lack thereof, of the entire submission process.
Your anecdotal evidence as it relates to your "$1200" coin is irrelevant. Based on what I can gather from your account, the dealer submitted the coin on your behalf and absorbed the associated fees when it failed to cross. In your example, the fees were still collected by PCGS because a service was rendered.
Regarding the original post, several coins were submitted that NGC determined were not genuine. Like your situation, an opinion was provided, and thus a service was rendered. The amount of time it took them to reach this conclusion is irrelevant to the point. The submitter is not due any special consideration because of their lack of due diligence before submitting them in the first place. Also, £900 is not a great deal of money in the grand scheme of things, but even if it were, it is irrelevant.
Reading the comments of other posters, there seems to be a general lack of understanding of the policies and procedures associated with submitting coins to NGC. This information can be found on the NGC website, and I encourage you to read it before making comments out of hand. Failing to do so only adds further misinformation within a thread that is ripe with poor judgment.
Arguing that paying a fee based on estimated value is unfair when the coin's value is reduced by 90-99% is complete hogwash. Although I am not sure about PCGS, NGC has consistently urged collectors to submit their coins through an authorized dealer. Doing so affords the submitter a professional opinion before NGC collects any associated fees. It is the submitter's responsibility to determine the declared value, and if they are unsure how to do so, they are advised to seek a professional who can. In this case, the submitter claims to be an expert, so in reality, they only have themselves to blame for the outcome.
In my opinion, the original post is an ill-informed and unwarranted hit piece on NGC. I see no harm in calling it for what it is.

I acquired this nice classic EF grade 1813 O-110 simply for its rugged incompetence and character. [EF = obvious wear on high points but has considerable luster remaining.]