1981 S Lincoln Cent TII

[jesbroken]

I need your opinions as to whether this 1981 S Lincoln proof is a TI or TII?

[halfpint]

I need your opinions as to whether this 1981 S Lincoln proof is a TI or TII?

 

 

i believe it is the more common type 1

 

 

[WoodenJefferson]

I need your opinions as to whether this 1981 S Lincoln proof is a TI or TII?

 

 

i believe it is the more common type 1

The Type II for 1981 had a bit more flatter cresent on the S whereas the the Type I has this crested feature.

[bsshog40]

That looks to be the typeI filled "S".

[ibyandsellsmith]

1981 does not have a filled S they have a type1 and a type2. The type1 is a worn out type2.

The type2, although somewhat similar to the type1, is distinguishable by the flattend top surface of the s. Some specialists will argue that the s must be clear in both loops. most agree the S can show some slight filling, but the mintmark punch must show that flattend top surface. This is usally the most difficult for anyone to comprehend. But the KEY is really very simple-that flatness on the top surface.

Your's is not flat.

[bsshog40]

Maybe you should refer to the redbook. 1981s Filled S, 1981s Clear S

[ibyandsellsmith]

Maybe you should refer to the redbook. 1981s Filled S, 1981s Clear S

Bobby that's why 95% of people on Ebay are selling type1's as a type2 unfortunatly the red book is wrong. here's some pics right out of the cherrypickers guide, notice on the 81's niether of the s's are closed.

[bsshog40]

Well accept my apologies Richard. These are different. Thanks for showing me this!!

[ibyandsellsmith]

No apologies necessary, it took me along time to realize the difference, and I still can't tell by looking at the real thing.

It's like the 1970- S small date I've looked at roll after roll and I can't tell by looking at the coin itself, theres such a minute difference.

[jesbroken]

I appreciate all of your opinions and help in this matter. I have returned the cent and the seller has agreed. What I have learned IBSSmith in addition to the great sample page you have provided is that some of the cents are not open and easily identified as type II. A true way to tell, I have learned, is that even when the flatness does not stand out and the upper portion of the 's' is filled or closed, the end of the 's' will always be identifiable as either flat or rounded-flat type I and rounded type II. I have looked at 30 or so samples from dealers, writers, and sellers and the only thing I could truly differentiate every time was the end of the 'S'.

This makes it a little more understandable why so many errors are being made by sellers and buyers.

Thanks for all your support and help.

Jim

 

By the way IBSSmith, thanks for the copy out of the cherrypickers guide. That was the first place I looked but I looked in the cent guide(stupid me) After viewing your post I looked and found it in Volume II. I appreciate your help.

[ibyandsellsmith]

Thank you for the info, when a type is that hard to differentiate it really -IMHO- shouldn't be considerd a type at all.

[MAULEMALL]

Thank you for the info, when a type is that hard to differentiate it really -IMHO- shouldn't be considerd a type at all.

After you have held one and been able to see the actual difference then It is not difficult to see at all.

[halfpint]

 

 

what really matters is what the tpg's THINK, whatta ya think?

 

 

[ibyandsellsmith]

 

what really matters is what the tpg's THINK, whatta ya think?

 

 

Yeah my 1963 and 1964 Type B quarters aren't good enough to be considerd a Variety. But the stupid so called upside down presidential dollars are.

[MAULEMALL]

 

what really matters is what the tpg's THINK, whatta ya think?

 

 

Not really...I have cherry picked some type 2's in pcgs and NGC holders...