Earliest Date of a MS/PF 70 grade ???

[CurrierVentures]

Anyone know what the earliest dated coin is to receive a perfect 70 score from PCGS/NGC?

[MunkyMan95]

That's a really good question!

[gmarguli]

Not sure, but for a proof I'd suspect it is a late date modern silver. Probably a 1960. However a 1956 would not surprise me.

 

For MS, it'd have to be a modern commemorative, so 1983 would be my guess.

[James_OldeTowne]

There is a Chain cent (1793) graded MS-69 RB, so it wouldn't surprise me if there are some coins, US or not, from the early 18th century graded 70.

 

James

[ronday]

1793 MS-69 RB?

 

How is that even possible?

[CurrierVentures]

beats me.... early coin collector

[gmarguli]

There are no non-modern coins that have graded 70.

 

The only coins to grade MS70 have been special issue coins (modern commems, SAE, SMS, etc).

 

The only coins to grade PF70 have been modern proofs (1950-date) and I'm not sure when the first one was.

[James_OldeTowne]

Hi Ronday. Yes, MS-69 RB. It is known to copper collectors as THE COIN. I believe the EAC grade is something like MS-67 at least. So I would guess that if a coin minted in 1793 can grade MS-69, then there's a good chance that somewhere out there, there's one dated fifty years later that could grade 70, but has just never been certified.

 

But that's just a guess!! It's fun to speculate....

 

James

[HaydenTubbs]

Hi Ronday. Yes, MS-69 RB. It is known to copper collectors as THE COIN. I believe the EAC grade is something like MS-67 at least. So I would guess that if a coin minted in 1793 can grade MS-69, then there's a good chance that somewhere out there, there's one dated fifty years later that could grade 70, but has just never been certified.

 

But that's just a guess!! It's fun to speculate....

 

James

 

James,you wouldn't happen to have a link to a picture or write up on THE COIN? You've aroused my curiosity.

 

 

Hayden

[James_OldeTowne]

Hayden, I searched, and could find nothing on-line. I'll keep looking, though.

 

James

[RWB]

If you get to Hartford Connecticut, visit the Connecticut State Library and take a look at the Michelson Collection on display. Some of the coins – mostly 1912–1921 – were supplied by the Curator the Philadelphia Mint cabinet, T. Louis Comparette. He selected many of the coins from the annual Assay Commission pyx coins. Others were first strikes from new dies and taken directly from the presses before they could touch other coins. There might be a MS-70 or so in there.

[crazyboutcoins-migration]

I would also like to see that chain cent in MS69? Does anyone have any pictures?

 

How about this....post your highest grade/earliest date coin?? With all the big time collectors on here, I think most of us would be amazed at some of the gorgeous oldies that have survived. Maybe NGC could give away a free grading for the winner. We could all vote on it.

 

Truth be told, we'd all be winners by seeing the beauties posted here for our enjoyment.

 

What do ya'll think??

[Robbie-migration]

I went through the population reports for all NGC MS coins and the earliest NGC graded coin to receive MS 70 is 1983 OLYMPICS.

 

http://www.collectors-society.com/registry/ngc/CensusDetail.aspx?PrintOrder=13314&IDCoins=19605

 

There were however some MS69 * in the Mid 1800's.[/b]

 

DIMES - SEATED LIBERTY, ARROWS 1853

 

http://www.collectors-society.com/registry/ngc/CensusDetail.aspx?PrintOrder=5109&IDCoins=14603

 

1938 D BOONE

 

http://www.collectors-society.com/registry/ngc/CensusDetail.aspx?PrintOrder=13126&IDCoins=19275

 

And some MS69 in the Early 1800's

 

1808/7 HALF DOLLARS - CAPPED BUST, LETTERED EDGE

 

http://www.collectors-society.com/registry/ngc/CensusDetail.aspx?PrintOrder=7616&IDCoins=817440

 

1851 GOLD DOLLARS - TYPE 1

 

http://www.collectors-society.com/registry/ngc/CensusDetail.aspx?PrintOrder=10796&IDCoins=17513

 

1864 GOLD DOLLARS - TYPE 3

 

http://www.collectors-society.com/registry/ngc/CensusDetail.aspx?PrintOrder=10843&IDCoins=17563

[TJ'S Coins]

Robbie welcome to the boards and thanks for the links. You have provided us with helpful numismatic research

 

As stated previously, it would be great if we had some pictures of these coins.

[kryptonitecomics]

Well let me do what I can.....I don't own any of these coins....God I wish

 

but I did some seraching of Heritage archives.....and these were the low grade circulated common coins I found

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This Merc is PCGS MS69...no full slab picture available

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I couldn't find any non Moderns in MS70 or PR70 in their archives.

[kryptonitecomics]

Also on Coin facts the image they use to represent the 1793 Chain cent sure looks clean...wouldn't be suprised if this is the MS69BN example we have been speaking of............

 

[TJ'S Coins]

Kudos for your research Shane

These are beautiful coins to look at.

[cladking]

Wow!!!

 

Look how crisp those stars are on the '80-S dollar.

 

Fantastic coins.

[crazyboutcoins-migration]

Shane....You are da man!!

Thanks for digging up and posting those beauties for us to enjoy!!

They are stunning. Wish I owned just one of them.

[physics-fan3.14]

What is the story of those Barber's pedigreed Hugon. Was this a major collection? Man I would have loved to see all those beauties together.

[midwest]

What is the story of those Barber's pedigreed Hugon. Was this a major collection? Man I would have loved to see all those beauties together.

 

link

[IGWT]

What is the story of those Barber's pedigreed Hugon. Was this a major collection? Man I would have loved to see all those beauties together.

 

Link to NGC page or maybe buy the book.

[midwest]

What is the story of those Barber's pedigreed Hugon. Was this a major collection? Man I would have loved to see all those beauties together.

 

Link

 

I don't believe he needs the link two times Lou

 

 

[IGWT]

I don't believe he needs the link two times Lou

 

Yes he does. Nobody reads your posts.

[MAULEMALL]

What is the story of those Barber's pedigreed Hugon. Was this a major collection? Man I would have loved to see all those beauties together.

 

Link

 

I don't believe he needs the link two times Lou

 

 

Link Envy

[MunkyMan95]

I don't believe he needs the link two times Lou

 

Yes he does. Nobody reads your posts.

[jtryka]

Nice photos Shane! I would argue that some of those Saints may be the victims of gradeflation, though certainly the Ex-HR is in a class by itself. Akers speculated that there were likely a number of MS-67 08 NMs, but that was before the Wells Fargo hoard was brought to market. As for the normal HRs, I will quote Akers:

 

"Gems are more scarce but are still available quote regularly. There are a fair number of spectacular, nearly perfect examples of this issue in existence so it is not possible to pick out one, or even several, and distinguish them as the 'finest known.'"

[physics-fan3.14]

Those are all beautiful coins. Thanks for the links (both of them!)

[EZ_E]

Also on Coin facts the image they use to represent the 1793 Chain cent sure looks clean...wouldn't be suprised if this is the MS69BN example we have been speaking of............

 

 

That is an incredible coin but it's not the chain cent but the wreath cent. Right?

 

Thanks for your time in linking the photos, Shane. I think that you're on JamesEarlyUS's heals as the most educational poster.

 

I do believe, however, that most of the coins were, as stated, subjected to gradeflation. Especially if they were conserved, I feel that some of the toning would have eaten into the coin's surface which would severly reduce the grade. Excellent examples, no doubt, but probably half shown are very unrealistic grades.

 

Great thread!!

[gmarguli]

I do believe, however, that most of the coins were, as stated, subjected to gradeflation.

 

One of these early cents was at the Long Beach show this past year. I forget if it was an MS68 or MS69. Either way, the grade seemed very generous.