Posters on the PCGS give out poor information.

[MarkFeld]

Greg, thanks for the chuckle.

 

But, if you were going to borrow my line (Sorry, I couldn't resist - I think you deserved it), you should have put quotations around it.

 

 

[truthteller]

Mark,

 

You're becoming a troll and not even aware of it. Time to start hanging out here more often.

 

 

TRUTH

[gmarguli]

Mark,

 

You're becoming a troll and not even aware of it. Time to start hanging out here more often.

 

 

If that is true, then he really does belong over at the PCGS forums. He'll fit in perfectly there.

 

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist - I think you deserved it™This saying TradeMarked by Mark Feld (2003). For use of it, please contact the TradeMark holder directly.

[jom]

For use of it, please contact the TradeMark holder directly.

 

...and then PAY me.

 

jom

[braddick]

Thanks Tom, you are 100% on the money.

Sorry Larry, I'll be more careful.

[BushMan]

That noise is the posters that know very little. We can all name 10 of them that have high post counts/post per day, yet contribute nothing. MANY of them have no point of reference other than the events of last month. They weren't in the coin business before slabbing or saw the changes the grading services went thru, or saw the peak and collapse of the market and several areas of the market multiple times.

 

 

Totally correct Greg. They have one fellow over there that has been collecting coins, by his own admission, for only 14 months. He has posted on those boards over 10,500 times. I wonder how much help he can offer with my Seated half collection?

 

 

 

[LucyBop]

your talking about Russie ain't you Bushman...

[PQSeated]

I'm sure that who he's talking about. He acts like he's a major numismatist or something, but he's nothing more then a brown-nosing plastic collector.

[LucyBop]

well, he knows his Kennedys, I never took it that he acts like some high and mighty Numismatis... I have even read many times where he is claiming he is learning... Just because one isn't able to authortatively speak on every series doesn't mean they don't bring something to the table........ There are many specialist on the PCGs board that have much to offer.... with this type of thinking, should I dismiss Dragon because he can't help me with my Frankies?

[MarkFeld]

He acts like he's a major numismatist or something

PQSeated,

 

I think your above quote is extremely unfair and inaccurate. He freely admits that he is new at this and is learning, has made mistakes, asks others (whom he openly acknowledges as knowing far more than him) for their opinions, etc.

 

 

[IrishMike]

He acts like he's a major numismatist or something

PQSeated,

 

I think your above quote is extremely unfair and inaccurate. He freely admits that he is new at this and is learning, has made mistakes, asks others (whom he openly acknowledges as knowing far more than him) for their opinions, etc.

 

 

I concur with Mark's quote.

[PQSeated]

Granted it is unfair of me to say that, it's just my personal impression and some other people's. I'm not implying that he's not valuable to the boards or that he doesn't know his Kennedy Halves. He fills those boards up with submission, AT, and ebay stuff. His countless topics on "is this AT?" subjects are extremely maleific to the positive posting sentiments. That stuff makes people not want to post on those forums, and that is why more people are coming over here. Unpretentious nuances like these are not noticed by all the people that post that classification of stuff themselves. I feel you have to take the boards at face value and not invest too much emotion or energy in them.

[LucyBop]

maybe some of us find some of those subjects interesting.. hey you called him a slab chasing brown noser........ Shame on you....

 

As always, whether its here or there, who has forced you to read posts you don't like?

[ldhair]

Thanks Tom. You and Braddick are a tremendous asset to any board you wish to post on. When I see you guys post I really slow down and take notice. Your some of the best.

 

I waited a day or so to comment and started to drop it but I don't wish to without setting it straight.

 

I didn't misunderstand Pat's post. Possibly it was made from a defensive minded position. An exclamation point at the end of a comment makes a powerful statement. I took it as "why are you posting now, you don't belong here".

 

As much as I liked your post Tom it gave Braddick an easy out for a flat out off color remark.

 

Now for the real truth. I should never have posted to this thread. For that I'm sorry. I was out of line. I'll go back to just reading. I seem to get in less trouble that way.

 

Larry

[IrishMike]

Larry give it some more thought, you input woud be missed.

[TomB]

Hey Larry, thanks for the kind words and I sincerely hope that you continue to post. After all, it is the valuable and insightful input from everyone that works to make each board function better.

 

I had not read Pat's initial greeting in the way you had and I guess that that just shows that I had interpreted it with a preconceived notion myself. I was just relating how I read it.

 

Again, I don't believe that your posting was out of line at all and I don't believe that you should lurk. You have much to offer.

[EVillageProwler]

While I appreciate the honest and benign intent of the original post, I think starting this thread was unwise. Sure, easy of me to say at this point...

 

The topic of this thread is certain to ruffle some feathers, and I believe that is contrary to the originator's intent. Moreover, it opens the door to people "naming" names and thus making it personal.

 

For the record, I think Russ's conduct is generally highly commendable. He recognized early on that he had a ton of enthusiasm but only an ounce of knowledge. He tried very hard to gain knowledge -- by posting, experimenting, reading, studying, thinking, etc. In short, he pumped his enthusiasm for coins into learning about the coin industry as well. There are lots of people who will jump right into the collecting arena with a fist full of cash without checking out the perils of the arena first.

 

He may have a high post count, but that's hardly a crime. He's enthusiastic. That's commendable. He's unable to help me with my Seated or Bust issues, but that's ok. I can't help him with his material much either! He shouldn't be slapped for that any more than I should be 'cuz I'm relatively ignorant of the Kennedy series. Or even the Frankie series!

 

EVP

 

[keithdagen]

A high post count is absolutely no indicator of numismatic knowledge. Rule #1 at PCGS.

 

Just look at the number of times I've posted there to prove that.

[DonHeath]

EVP,

 

As usual, I agree with you. I really like the NGC staff, policies, and professionalism, and I appreciate the members here who have welcomed me, and endured my trifling posts, but I really find the personal insults (even the thinly veiled ones) toward other collectors distasteful, and don't want to be associated with them. It doesn't make me think any less of the collectors you hope to embarass, but instead helps me understand the poster's capacity for pettiness. I never enjoyed NGC bashing while posting to PCGS, and wrongly assumed this board would be less likely to seek cheap applause. Just for fun, go look at the last 9 posts here that got over 350 views. Six of them are about PCGS, PCGS coins, or their collectors. I like Russ, and admire him for his diligence, his interest in the hobby, and his enthusiasm. To those of you that mock others publicly, guess how many fingers I'm holding up.

[Leothelion]

,

4 would be the Spock thing.

3 would be the girl scouts pledge.

2 would be the peace sign.

And 1 is, well, your IQ?

 

I couldn't resist Don.

 

Regards, Leo

[DonHeath]

Leo, I'm twice as smart as you think, cause there's one finger up on each hand.

[gmarguli]

Just for fun, go look at the last 9 posts here that got over 350 views. Six of them are about PCGS, PCGS coins, or their collectors. I like Russ, and admire him for his diligence, his interest in the hobby, and his enthusiasm. To those of you that mock others publicly, guess how many fingers I'm holding up.

 

I don't know how to sort using views and date, but I count a total of 33 threads with over 350 views. Of those I count 7 (21%) that are clearly about PCGS. I'm not counting the ones that are critical of PCGS slabbed coins, since I view those as threads about coins instead of plastic. Several of those 7 threads were made around the time of the David Hall uprising.

 

Of the remaining ones I see discussions on:

• Artificial Toning
  
• Designations
  
• Pricing
  
• Different Types of Coins (a varied list of different subjects)
  
• Shows
  
• Welcome Me Messages
  
• Misc NGC Info

 

Unlike what some people across the street like to say, the focus here isn't all what is going on over there. There is a fair amount of discussion about what PCGS is doing here. However, the same is true across the street.

[Leothelion]

Leo, I'm twice as smart as you think, cause there's one finger up on each hand.

 

Well then, it's a field goal!

 

Leo

[DonHeath]

Greg, here are last few with more than 350 views -

 

1. AT Capped Bust Quarter in the Heritage Auction - (1455)

 

This was a great post, but a PCGS holder.

 

2. How do you polietly tell the stupid posters to stay - ( 951)

on the PCGS boards.

 

3. Would like a few opinions why NGC still trades at - ( 737)

a discount to PCGS

 

4. Posters on PCGS give out poor information - (700+)

 

5. Collecting Proof and Mint Sets - ( 612)

 

non-pcgs thread

 

6. Legend News Release - ( 472)

 

non-pcgs thread

 

7. Do you think PCGS dealers who post on the - ( 470)

PCGS website.....

 

8. PR70 Beauties (more money than brains) - ( 422)

 

pictures of PCGS PR70s

 

9. Why I hate PCGS (AKA submission results) - ( 400)

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to be a pretty dominant theme.

 

 

[LucyBop]

Gee, my thread on my 58d Frankie didn't make the list????

[truthteller]

Could it be that PCGS bigwigs are monitoring the PCGS posts on the NGC forum?

 

TRUTH

[DonHeath]

Truth, I'm sure you're right. Some of the posts had great content. I'd much rather see this forum focus on what NGC is doing right, and on encouraging collectors and sharing information. Insulting other boards, collectors, or series just seems pointless and eventually mean-spirited. JMO

[gmarguli]

Greg, here are last few with more than 350 views -

 

1. AT Capped Bust Quarter in the Heritage Auction - (1455)

 

This was a great post, but a PCGS holder.

 

I don't consider this a PCGS post. TomB would have posted it had the coin been in an NGC slab or ANACS slab. The fact that the coin was in a PCGS slab is immaterial. If any post on a coin in a PCGS is a PCGS post, then I would expect half the posts on this forum to be "about PCGS" and I would expect half on the other forum to be "about NGC" posts. You can't consider it a "PCGS post" just because the coin discussed is a PCGS slabbed coin.

 

 

 

2. How do you polietly tell the stupid posters to stay - ( 951)

on the PCGS boards.

 

A PCGS post.

 

 

3. Would like a few opinions why NGC still trades at - ( 737)

a discount to PCGS

 

Not necessarily a PCGS post. This is a pricing post. Sure it involves PCGS, but had the post been about NGC prices v. ANACS prices, I wouldn't call it an ANACS post.

 

 

 

4. Posters on PCGS give out poor information - (700+)

 

A PCGS post.

 

 

5. Collecting Proof and Mint Sets - ( 612)

 

non-pcgs thread

 

6. Legend News Release - ( 472)

 

non-pcgs thread

 

OK.

 

 

7. Do you think PCGS dealers who post on the - ( 470)

PCGS website.....

 

A PCGS post.

 

 

8. PR70 Beauties (more money than brains) - ( 422)

 

pictures of PCGS PR70s

 

I started that post and it is NOT about PCGS. Someone thought it was a Bear post. It is about people buying plastic instead of coins. Nothing more. I also thought about linking a few other coins (PCGS & NGC) in this auction in a new thread. Those would have shown originally toned coins with a little info on the type of toning. I decided against it until the auction is over and I can see the coins in person. Would that have been a PCGS post if they were PCGS slabbed coins?

 

 

9. Why I hate PCGS (AKA submission results) - ( 400)

 

A PCGS post.

 

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to be a pretty dominant theme.

 

I wonder what the percentage of all the posts here are about PCGS. I bet a small percentage.

[gmarguli]

Could it be that PCGS bigwigs are monitoring the PCGS posts on the NGC forum?

 

Yes, they read this forum. I've been told that by 2 people there.

[braddick]

Please keep in mind too that some of those Threads were LINKED to the Coin Forum over at PCGS. This would cause many who are not members here to read that thread via the LINK.

I'm wrong on this if someone can tell me a Thread opened by a viewer who isn't registered does not tally? I can't imagine that would be the case though. No?