Clintjc1 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) Edited August 15 by Clintjc1 Better pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clintjc1 Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 Iām not exactly sure if this was a diebreak and it Shifted during the pressing or what. Iāve been doing this around 20 years and havenāt seen something like this. Just hoping to get some insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Your photos have so much compression damage that it's not clear what you are trying to show. Shift your phone camera to the highest QUALITY setting, then post the photos, NOT screen grabs. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 It is a posable lamination error due to impurities in the planchet from the looks of the metal on the last picture. There are multiple areas on this reverse I see. I would put this in a flip as a keeper. Not worth much in the open market unless you find an error collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clintjc1 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 JPM Thatās not because of planchette impurities. The right edge of the memorial building is broken off. And thereās raised areas across the coin like what would be the columns. itās an impression of something else and or broken die. Iāll be posting better pictures with arrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clintjc1 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 The pics are from a microscope, USB card transferred to my phone they are not pics of a screen but post some better ones with arrows so you can see what Iām talking about. I just joined the site but Iāve been doing coins for over 20 years.. everything with arrows and the broken off memorial building is raised. Itās not concaved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/14/2024 at 8:25 PM, Clintjc1 said: The pics are from a microscope, USB card transferred to my phone they are not pics of a screen but post some better ones with arrows so you can see what Iām talking about. I just joined the site but Iāve been doing coins for over 20 years.. everything with arrows and the broken off memorial building is raised. Itās not concaved. This garbage is from a screen grab. Note the grid.... This shows extreme compression defects caused by trying to save an image into a very small file. Meaningful detail is replaced with algorithm generated mush. If you post clear, good resolution photos (300 dpi or better), members will have something useful to examine and possibly help you understand what happened to your coin. (The word "concaved" has no meaning in your comment.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clintjc1 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 Yeah, one of the photos was from my computer screen. The rest are from a microscope, and they are very detailed for the question about the memorial building and everywhere thereās an arrow. I donāt have the brand new iPhone. This is the best pics I can get. If someone canāt see the obvious memorial building on the left looking like it was broken off then itās OK to not answer if you canāt see it. I donāt use every coin term correctly. Even though you know what I mean by concaved if you just want to correct a term just please pass on by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Ā Ā Welcome to the NGC chat board. Ā Ā The indentations on the reverse of this lightly circulated 1962-D cent appear to me to be nicks from hits by a hard object and not any type of mint error. powermad5000 and Mike Meenderink 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Hello and welcome to the forum! Ā What I see on your cent is that it is heavily circulated. The columns on the Memorial are worn basically smooth and I see a lot of circulation hits and chatter on both sides of this coin. While it is possible this could have a strike through on the left side of the Memorial at the base, I think that would be a very hard sell at a grading table with all of the combined hits all over this coin and I personally think it is just damage from circulation or tomfoolery or both.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) Well the Original pictures have been removed so I have nothing to reference. Clintjc1 It is ok to add pictures, but you removed the only picture that showed posable layered lamination now everything looks like damage to me with the new pictures. It now looks like the left step took a hit and the metal displaced closer to the rim. So now I would not save this coin in a flip. Edited August 15 by J P M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) Damage. Nothing more. Accurate use of numismatic terminology is critical to others understanding you. That is why I mentioned the "concaved" term. There is nothing "concave" about any of the damage on your coin; hence, what is it that people are supposed to respond to? (Merely saying, "It looks like part of the building fell off" is clear enough.) Edited August 15 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/15/2024 at 7:34 AM, RWB said: .... Accurate use of numismatic terminology is critical to others understanding you.... A T T E N T I O NĀ @Mike Meenderink Ā ... .Ā Ā .Ā Ā Ā . Re:Ā "Cherry Picking" powermad5000 and Mike Meenderink 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clintjc1 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 šš well I heard this wasnāt any better than talking to people on a Facebook group this is proved them right. I thought there would be some experts in here, but this is NOT the place For sure, or if there are experts that are on these forums, they just havenāt been on my page. Just the fact that you guys can call it damaged mine blowing, especially when everything is raised. I guess I gotta expect that in groups now. No disrespect, but apparently I have a lot more expertise than the guys that have said itās damage.š. No worries though Iāll just Have the Fresno coin gallery send it in for me like they said and maybe you guys will see it and learn something. Anyways Iāll leave it with these pics of different angles to show you that theyāre not necks and whatever damage you think is there. Where the memorial building on the left bottom looks broken, You can see in these pics if it was damaged the field in between what looks broken, wouldnāt be smooth as the rest of the fields of the coin. You can actually see how it looks like it would move right back into place like it was actually broken. If you look close enough, you can see the bottom two steps and the edge of the taller portion above them on the piece that looks broken off. Regardless, Iāll leave it at that if no one can see whatās actually going on with this coin then I wonāt waste any more of your time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 (edited) Thanks for the better pictures. It is raised. Which also supports that it is damage because someone took a welder and some rod to it. DIES FROM A PRESS COULD NOT POSSIBLY LEAVE THIS RAISED SPOT AS THE STRIKE WOULD HAVE FLATTENED IT! But since I don't know anything after doing this for 45+ years and you know it all, good luck sending it to whoever and have a nice day! Ā Edited August 16 by powermad5000 gen Z making my blocked list a mile long EGH49 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/15/2024 at 11:26 PM, Clintjc1 said: šš well I heard this wasnāt any better than talking to people on a Facebook group this is proved them right. I thought there would be some experts in here, but this is NOT the place For sure, or if there are experts that are on these forums, they just havenāt been on my page. Just the fact that you guys can call it damaged mine blowing, especially when everything is raised. I guess I gotta expect that in groups now. No disrespect, but apparently I have a lot more expertise than the guys that have said itās damage.š. No worries though Iāll just Have the Fresno coin gallery send it in for me like they said and maybe you guys will see it and learn something. Anyways Iāll leave it with these pics of different angles to show you that theyāre not necks and whatever damage you think is there. Where the memorial building on the left bottom looks broken, You can see in these pics if it was damaged the field in between what looks broken, wouldnāt be smooth as the rest of the fields of the coin. You can actually see how it looks like it would move right back into place like it was actually broken. If you look close enough, you can see the bottom two steps and the edge of the taller portion above them on the piece that looks broken off. Regardless, Iāll leave it at that if no one can see whatās actually going on with this coin then I wonāt waste any more of your time It is your coin to do with as you please. You asked if it was an error, and we can only go by the photos you have posted, and it mostly looks like damage from what we all can see. Sandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 A great deal of damage can result from a coin being in circulation for longer than President Kennedy had been assassinated, '62 vs. '63. They've revisited the crime scene in Dallas many times but why should it surprise anyone that the site's configuration had been modified a number of times since. A chance to solve an enduring mystery what with the change in landscaping, quick sterilization of the interior of the Lincoln used, an explanation of the trajectory of the mystery bullet fired were irretrievably lost to history. This is why I proposed a Statute of Limitations on all claims of ERRORS on coins older than 25 years (i.e., minted during this century).Ā When weathering and corrosion coupled with ordinary wear and tear takes place, it is highly unlikely an error may have occurred.Ā Varieties are exempt.Ā The ones that have been discovered are well documented and many were discovered centuries after their mintage.Ā I understand your use of the word concave, presumably as opposed to convexed, but what we have here is common, garden-variety "pitting." As a personal note, there is something evident to me that would not be evident to you, as a Newbie of only 48+ hours, and that is the stature of some of the members that have weighed in. They are steeped in numismystique and have seen and heard it all with many decades of experience amongst them. If you're looking for an early release on discretionary parole, fuggettaboutit!Ā Not happenin'!Ā On the other hand, if you feel strongly enough about what you believe to be true, don't let anyone dissuade you.Ā Reversals on appeal are rare but not unheard of.Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 8/16/2024 at 5:32 PM, Henri Charriere said: They've revisited the crime scene in Dallas many times but why should it surprise anyone that the site's configuration had been modified a number of times since. A chance to solve an enduring mystery what with the change in landscaping, quick sterilization of the interior of the Lincoln used, an explanation of the trajectory of the mystery bullet fired were irretrievably lost to history. I visited the book depository several years ago when I made a trip to Dallas. Inside, they have a museum where you can get all the way to the spot where the shots were presumably fired from. The actual spot is behind glass but you are able to see out the window. On the street they have white X's where each shot was supposed to have hit its mark. The rifle used is also behind the glass. When looking at everything together, in the amount of time, with having to reload a bolt action rifle and re-aim, I don't see how it could have been done in that timeframe. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halbrook Family Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 On 8/16/2024 at 9:28 PM, powermad5000 said: I visited the book depository several years ago when I made a trip to Dallas. Inside, they have a museum where you can get all the way to the spot where the shots were presumably fired from. The actual spot is behind glass but you are able to see out the window. On the street they have white X's where each shot was supposed to have hit its mark. The rifle used is also behind the glass. When looking at everything together, in the amount of time, with having to reload a bolt action rifle and re-aim, I don't see how it could have been done in that timeframe. Especially looking at the secret service these days I believe the fatal head shot was a accident by the secret service. The guys pulls out his gun so fast it went off . At the moment the secret service is blaming others for their mistakes.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) On 8/16/2024 at 11:28 PM, powermad5000 said: I visited the book depository several years ago when I made a trip to Dallas. Inside, they have a museum where you can get all the way to the spot where the shots were presumably fired from. The actual spot is behind glass but you are able to see out the window. On the street they have white X's where each shot was supposed to have hit its mark. The rifle used is also behind the glass. When looking at everything together, in the amount of time, with having to reload a bolt action rifle and re-aim, I don't see how it could have been done in that timeframe. A few years back, the ANA had its spring show in Dallas. I took a graded Kennedy half dollar to Dealey Plaza and āshotā it (photographically). I then shot it again from the grassy knoll. Then I took video from where Zapruder stood. I observed the Xās on the street. Those shots Oswald took were NOT tough shots. I could have made them any day. But yes, I was a trained marksman and biathlete in my youth. The last and fatal shot was pretty far down range from the first, but the slope made it almost a āzero aim changeā shot. Slightly upward but virtually no left or right. i didnāt have time to hang out for two days to shoot Oswald.Ā Edited August 19 by VKurtB ThePhiladelphiaPenny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
