Nessa4va Posted Wednesday at 12:54 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:54 AM I found this penny and it appears to be doubled on the face, building, letters and numbers. Both front and back of the coin. Is this worth anything? I have more pictures but it exceeds the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Wednesday at 12:58 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 12:58 AM Oops I ment Nickel. It's been a long day. Lol here's another picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Meenderink Posted Wednesday at 12:58 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:58 AM Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Meenderink Posted Wednesday at 12:58 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:58 AM worth 5 c sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted Wednesday at 01:14 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:14 AM Not seeing any doubling. Are you sure you know what a Doubled Die looks like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted Wednesday at 01:25 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:25 AM This is just a circulated 2003-P nickel struck from well-worn dies (note the grainy, "orange peel"-like surfaces) that acquired numerous nicks and scratches during the distribution process and in circulation. Any "doubling" that you see would be ghostly outlines to the letters known as "die deterioration doubling", which has no collector value. A coin struck from a doubled die will feature crisp, clear doubling, usually with both images at about the same level and with "notching" between the images, as on this "Red Book" variety 1972 doubled die cent: See also the following resources regarding the differences between die doubling and other, "worthless" forms of doubling: Double Dies vs. Machine Doubling | NGC (ngccoin.com) https://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html and links therein, one of which concerns die deterioration doubling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Wednesday at 01:59 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 01:59 AM On 6/25/2024 at 8:58 PM, Nessa4va said: Oops I ment Nickel. It's been a long day. Lol here's another picture. See the double image of the chin. And other areas on the coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Wednesday at 02:00 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 02:00 AM On 6/25/2024 at 8:58 PM, Nessa4va said: Oops I ment Nickel. It's been a long day. Lol here's another picture. Double chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Wednesday at 02:01 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 02:01 AM On 6/25/2024 at 8:54 PM, Nessa4va said: I found this penny and it appears to be doubled on the face, building, letters and numbers. Both front and back of the coin. Is this worth anything? I have more pictures but it exceeds the limit. Doubling on the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted Wednesday at 02:57 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:57 AM (edited) On 6/25/2024 at 6:59 PM, Nessa4va said: See the double image of the chin. And other areas on the coin. On 6/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, Nessa4va said: Doubling on the building. No and no, none of that is true hub doubling just a poor strike. Greenstang asked you a good question, do you have any idea what real doubling is? Because from your posts so far it does not seem that you do, and if you don't know what to look for why are you looking? The question is not being asked to be mean or rude, its ok to not know everyone starts out at zero. But going thru coins just pulling out some and posting questions here over and over will get tiring for members here and at some point people will stop answering your questions as it will seem that you are not trying to learn. Edited Wednesday at 03:44 AM by Coinbuf Sandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted Wednesday at 04:04 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:04 AM I'm sorry, but the chin is part of the design and I am not seeing any kind of doubling whatsoever on the building. I maybe see some step like partial secondary image in some of the lettering which to me would be mechanical/strike doubling from a loose die in the press but of no additional value and is seen more as a quality control issue than it is anything else. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Wednesday at 04:05 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 04:05 AM So what do you call the images around the chin and building? I do understand double die. Some are extreme and some are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Wednesday at 04:08 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 04:08 AM On 6/26/2024 at 12:04 AM, powermad5000 said: I'm sorry, but the chin is part of the design and I am not seeing any kind of doubling whatsoever on the building. I maybe see some step like partial secondary image in some of the lettering which to me would be mechanical/strike doubling from a loose die in the press but of no additional value and is seen more as a quality control issue than it is anything else. Sorry. Did you see the other pic I added. There is a limit on what you upload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted Wednesday at 10:08 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:08 AM On 6/26/2024 at 12:08 AM, Nessa4va said: Did you see the other pic I added. There is a limit on what you upload. Welcome, Sorry to say, It looks like your nickel took a good hit on that area and it is making it look like a double chin. Even if you had something going on with this coin it would not matter because it is to damaged to be worth more than face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted Wednesday at 01:51 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:51 PM Please review the articles and images from the links I provided in my previous post. There are many, many coins that exhibit "doubling", but it is not die doubling. It is usually either strike doubling (a.k.a. machine or mechanical doubling) or die deterioration doubling, which are very common and do not have numismatic value. The "double chin" and other characteristics you note on your 2003-P nickel, which are much shallower than the primary image and have no "notch" between the two images, are clearly not the result of die doubling but appear to me to be the result of die deterioration, possibly combined with strike doubling. I have seen many coins that look like this and have spent them. As the die pair that produced this nickel 21 years ago was clearly worn, it would likely have struck several hundred thousand other pieces and if either side had been produced from a doubled die would almost certainly been discovered before now. (Although it is possible that both sides of a coin could have been struck from dies that were doubled, I have never heard of such a variety.) There are no doubled die varieties listed for 2003-P nickels on NGC VarietyPlus, doubleddie.com (which links to another site for the Jefferson nickel series), or varietyvista.com. (The latter two sites list minor as well as major varieties.) If you like coins that feature this kind of "doubling", you are welcome to collect them, but please don't confuse them with doubled die varieties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted Wednesday at 11:07 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:07 PM (edited) On 6/25/2024 at 11:05 PM, Nessa4va said: So what do you call the images around the chin and building? I do understand double die. Some are extreme and some are not. On 6/25/2024 at 11:08 PM, Nessa4va said: Did you see the other pic I added. There is a limit on what you upload. Since you seem hellbent that you have discovered a new variety, I suggest you post these photos to the CONECA forum and return to this thread with their response. Edited Thursday at 03:10 AM by powermad5000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted Thursday at 12:25 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:25 AM First, a Doubled Die is a variety, not an error. This means that every coin struck from that die would be the same so there could be hundreds of thousands of them out there. If this was the case, I’m sure it would have been discovered and recorded over the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted Thursday at 02:27 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:27 AM On 6/26/2024 at 8:25 PM, Greenstang said: First, a Doubled Die is a variety, not an error. This means that every coin struck from that die would be the same so there could be hundreds of thousands of them out there. If this was the case, I’m sure it would have been discovered and recorded over the last 20 years. If this were the case, I'm sure it would have been detected by someone since the advent of TPGSs. Let's be generous and add another 20 years or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted Thursday at 04:49 AM Share Posted Thursday at 04:49 AM On 6/25/2024 at 9:00 PM, Nessa4va said: Double chin. "more chins than the Hong Kong phone book" powermad5000 and Henri Charriere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Thursday at 02:17 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 02:17 PM I went to Coneca as suggested, and someone else also had a nickel with the same issues. So now what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted Thursday at 02:20 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:20 PM (edited) Did the CONECA members agree that your coin was struck from a doubled die? Was the nickel you saw also a 2003-P and did it have exactly the same anomalies in exactly the same places? Edited Thursday at 02:28 PM by Sandon added additional question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessa4va Posted Thursday at 02:38 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 02:38 PM They said that it was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenstang Posted Thursday at 04:09 PM Popular Post Share Posted Thursday at 04:09 PM If CONECA says it is not a Doubled Die as everyone on here stated, then that should be the end of the discussion. Sandon, Henri Charriere and powermad5000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...