1964 sms jfk? 1 1

[Danny Simpson]

I believe I have a sms here if all the die marks are what I've found online. Can anyone confirm whether this is a 1964 sms jfk?

[Coinbuf]

On 4/28/2024 at 6:46 PM, Danny Simpson said:

Can anyone confirm whether this is a 1964 sms jfk?

Your coin is not one of the so called SMS coins, just a normal brilliant proof.

[Sandon]

    The so-called and misnamed 1964 "SMS" coins don't have mirror surfaces like your coin, which is obviously a proof strike, one of 3,950,762 issued in proof sets.  It is now believed that what are now described as 1964 "Special Strike" coins "consisted of ordinary coinage of the type made for circulation, but the dies were fresh and sharp, retaining the satiny fields characteristic of new dies, along with the fine, irregular polishing lines also typical of new currency dies."  1964 50C SP | Coin Explorer | NGC (ngccoin.com) (Emphasis added).  Without this satin finish and die polish, like that shown on the image of the coin in the NGC Coin Explorer, any "die markers", assuming your coin has them, are meaningless.

   It appears that all of the known 1964 "Special Strike" originated from a specific source from which they were distributed in the early 1990s, and none has been found elsewhere. A number of claims of having found examples, which usually turn out to be ordinary circulation strikes, have been made on these forums, and none has been validated to date. Ongoing research may reveal that even the authenticated pieces really shouldn't be regarded as "special" either. See Comprehensive Research on the So Called 1964 "SMS" Coins Is In the Works - What Questions Do Members Here Have About these Coins? - US, World, and Ancient Coins - NGC Coin Collectors Chat Boards.

 

[VKurtB]

Note to ABSOLUTELY EVERY NEW COLLECTOR: No, you do NOT have any ultra rare coin. You are engaging in demented wishcraft. 

[powermad5000]

On 4/28/2024 at 10:14 PM, Sandon said:

Ongoing research may reveal that even the authenticated pieces really shouldn't be regarded as "special" either.

I can see where this might apply. If the so called SMS were simply the first 5 or so coins struck from a brand new set of dies, but not a specially made set of dies, then wouldn't it stand there would be 5 or so coins from every series and date ever struck now called the so called SMS and what about the in the same year of striking once the dies have worn out and get changed to a fresh set? Then there would be an additional 5 or so called the so called SMS? I think by the standards we grade, those would simply be just exceptionally high graded but not have a special designation attached to them.

To me, the SMS designation should be applied when the coins are struck from a specially crafted set of dies not made for regular issued strikes or business strikes as some refer to.

[RWB]

The entire "1964 SMS" story is bologna. No such pieces were ever made, and all certifications as such are false.