Errorists Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Can a Die Crack on a coin be considered as part of the device of a coin since it is raised above the field? GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenstang Posted March 2 Popular Post Share Posted March 2 No. A devise is the principal design element. As a crack was not part of the principal design, it would not be included as part of the design. A crack is part of the minting process. J P M, GoldFinger1969 and Henri Charriere 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 On 3/2/2024 at 6:50 AM, Greenstang said: No. A devise is the principal design element. As a crack was not part of the principal design, it would not be included as part of the design. A crack is part of the minting process. So it's neither field nor device? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Correct, as stated, it is part of the minting process. GoldFinger1969 and Errorists 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 The field is the surface of a coin minus devices such a dates, mottos, legends, stars, rays, etc. Though I never heard it described as such, every planchet starts life out as a blank field and though the rims be raised, they are not considered formal devices. GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldFinger1969 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 3/2/2024 at 7:11 AM, Errorists said: Can a Die Crack on a coin be considered as part of the device of a coin since it is raised above the field? Errorist, why did you ask ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RWB Posted March 2 Popular Post Share Posted March 2 On 3/2/2024 at 7:11 AM, Errorists said: Can a Die Crack on a coin be considered as part of the device of a coin since it is raised above the field? It is a defect in the working die. It has no relationship to the design other than incidental. Sandon, GoldFinger1969 and Henri Charriere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 On 3/2/2024 at 11:17 AM, GoldFinger1969 said: Errorist, why did you ask ? In some cases it adds to the mystique of the coin or it's beauty. Some are even comical. In those cases it should be part of the design. I can give examples of each.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 No, a die crack, which isn't part of what the coin's designers and engravers intended it to look like, isn't "part of the design." It is simply a manifestation of die failure. You could also insist that a cow is a horse, but that wouldn't make it a horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 How about a "steer?" Can a steer be a "gelding"? Huhhhh? Huhhhh? Is that were the design was changed by a "crack"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 On 3/2/2024 at 3:17 PM, Sandon said: No, a die crack, which isn't part of what the coin's designers and engravers intended it to look like, isn't "part of the design." It is simply a manifestation of die failure. You could also insist that a cow is a horse, but that wouldn't make it a horse. What if the engraver made the cow look like a horse? GoldFinger1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandon Posted March 2 Popular Post Share Posted March 2 On 3/2/2024 at 5:39 PM, Errorists said: What if the engraver made the cow look like a horse? Then he or she would be a really bad engraver. Errorists, GoldFinger1969 and Henri Charriere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 On 3/2/2024 at 4:41 PM, Sandon said: Then he or she would be a really bad engraver. Now that's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/2/2024 at 1:21 PM, Errorists said: In some cases it adds to the mystique of the coin or it's beauty. Some are even comical. In those cases it should be part of the design. I can give examples of each.. I’m sure you can, but that doesn’t make it make sense to anyone else, and it doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIII Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I would be curious to some see some examples, as stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 On 3/4/2024 at 7:33 PM, CIII said: I would be curious to some see some examples, as stated. Here is one known as a "Spiked Head". Kind of comical and mystic at the same time. Notice the crack is also UCAM. CIII 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIII Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 There you have it. Errorists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 On 3/5/2024 at 4:39 PM, CIII said: There you have it. Any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/4/2024 at 9:12 PM, Errorists said: Here is one known as a "Spiked Head". Kind of comical and mystic at the same time. Notice the crack is also UCAM. There ought to be a law against anyone enjoying a hobby this much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 On 3/5/2024 at 7:21 PM, Henri Charriere said: There ought to be a law against anyone enjoying a hobby this much. Isn't that what hobbies are for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/5/2024 at 8:26 PM, Errorists said: Isn't that what hobbies are for? You would think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
