Errorists Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Did I just find a new peace dollar VAM with 4 die cracks on the obverse? If so I want the credit. Lol. Edited January 31 by Errorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J P M Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 If you own it, you can send it in. Errorists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2024 at 9:15 AM, J P M said: If you own it, you can send it in. It's on heritage now. But it's obvious I discovered it first. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zadok Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2024 at 10:17 AM, Errorists said: It's on heritage now. But it's obvious I discovered it first. Lol. ...u can put it on ur epitaph.... Errorists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Look for the variety on VAMworld. To be credited with a discovery you'll need to write a description and demonstrate to the VAM collectors that it is NOT a known variety. That means posting your write-up on their discussion thread and defending it while members offer comments and their own ideas. Here are PCGS' photos of both sides: Edited January 31 by RWB Errorists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2024 at 10:16 AM, RWB said: Look for the variety on VAMworld. To be credited with a discovery you'll need to write a description and demonstrate to the VAM collectors that it is NOT a known variety. That means posting your write-up on their discussion thread and defending it while members offer comments and their own ideas. Here are PCGS' photos of both sides: Thanks for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Die cracks like these are extremely common on Peace dollars, especially on higher mintage dates such as the 1923. I've seen many dated 1922 and 1923 with a thin crack like this across Liberty's neck, and I'm sure that Messrs. Van Allen and Mallis and their successors on the Vam World site have as well. It's unlikely that such cracks, probably found on a number of well-used obverse dies, would be given a VAM designation. There are some 1923 VAM-1 (normal dies) subvarieties based on die breaks that are much heavier or thicker than these commonly seen cracks. See http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1923-P_Die_Breaks. They are really die states, not die varieties. As you enjoy finding coins with die cracks like these, you may want to think more about whether it would be desirable for such coins to be designated as die varieties. Presently, you can easily "cherrypick" them from dealers' stocks without paying a premium. If they were given a designation, dealers would demand a premium for them even though they are common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Meenderink Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) I agree with Sandon my only thing to add is I do not see a straight grading coin here. The very obvious large hit obv at 7 is a seriously detracting scratch/mark. IMO this coin will receive a DETAILS grade. Edited January 31 by Mike Meenderink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2024 at 12:33 PM, Sandon said: Die cracks like these are extremely common on Peace dollars, especially on higher mintage dates such as the 1923. I've seen many dated 1922 and 1923 with a thin crack like this across Liberty's neck, and I'm sure that Messrs. Van Allen and Mallis and their successors on the Vam World site have as well. It's unlikely that such cracks, probably found on a number of well-used obverse dies, would be given a VAM designation. There are some 1923 VAM-1 (normal dies) subvarieties based on die breaks that are much heavier or thicker than these commonly seen cracks. See http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1923-P_Die_Breaks. They are really die states, not die varieties. As you enjoy finding coins with die cracks like these, you may want to think more about whether it would be desirable for such coins to be designated as die varieties. Presently, you can easily "cherrypick" them from dealers' stocks without paying a premium. If they were given a designation, dealers would demand a premium for them even though they are common. Though I like them in uncirculated coins I like the proof ones better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 (edited) On 1/31/2024 at 1:30 PM, Mike Meenderink said: I agree with Sandon my only thing to add is I do not see a straight grading coin here. The very obvious large hit obv at 7 is a seriously detracting scratch/mark. IMO this coin will receive a DETAILS grade. The smudge between the 1 and 9 looks like another 1 under it. Very interesting. Perhaps, a dropped 1 and struck through. Edited January 31 by Errorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 🐓 : Say Q... have you anything of pertinence to add to the conversation? Q.A.: Is humor permissible? Good. Here goes. While I am unalterably opposed to wanton desecration, i.e., "crack-outs," this is illustrative of the inadvertent damage and unintended consequences that can occur when the novice tries something new without consulting more experienced hands. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2024 at 4:30 PM, Henri Charriere said: 🐓 : Say Q... have you anything of pertinence to add to the conversation? Q.A.: Is humor permissible? Good. Here goes. While I am unalterably opposed to wanton desecration, i.e., "crack-outs," this is illustrative of the inadvertent damage and unintended consequences that can occur when the novice tries something new without consulting more experienced hands. 🤣 Peace Dollar crack outs. Lol. Henri Charriere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
