ZAR details Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Hello everyone, I’m doing research into the several known South African Doubled die variety coins and have come across this 1968 English inscription 1 cent coin. It was graded MS64 RD Doubled Die Obverse by NGC, however on closer inspection the coin looks more like a mechanical doubling fault than a true double die, but this is just my opinion. Please see the photos attached. This is the only example listed in the NGC census. What are your thoughts on the matter? Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 If I was to look at that coin without the label showing, I would say it was MD. There is no sign of a serif on any of the doubled letters and then devices look reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 This reminded me of the same kind of condition found on the 1972 Lincoln Cent FS-107. There is evidence of doubling but it looks more like mechanical doubling. It seems on the OP's coin that there was just the slightest shift in the either the die or the hub just enough to be visible. This also reminds me of some of the new nickel DDO's and DDR's that are getting attributed. It does appear that there is some doubling evident at the bottom of the shirt at the back of the neck, no? Or is that part of the design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 I would normally toss this aside as MD but the visible doubling in 'SOUTH AFRICA" is on the left side but the doubling in "1968" is on the right and everything looks to "sharp" to be DDD. It could be a true DD but it's very minor if it is. I see this coin is for sale, were you looking to purchase it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 If this were a product of the US mint I would say MD 100%. However I am not at all familiar with the minting process in South Africa, so it's quite possible that could be a true DD depending on the processes and equipment used in South Africa. powermad5000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1968 could matter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAR details Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 10:39 AM, powermad5000 said: It does appear that there is some doubling evident at the bottom of the shirt at the back of the neck, no? Or is that part of the design? There is definitely some doubling by the shirt, but it all looks too much like MD for me. It certainly is not part of the design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAR details Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 5:44 PM, Fenntucky Mike said: I would normally toss this aside as MD but the visible doubling in 'SOUTH AFRICA" is on the left side but the doubling in "1968" is on the right and everything looks to "sharp" to be DDD. It could be a true DD but it's very minor if it is. I see this coin is for sale, were you looking to purchase it? I would also normally think it was nothing more than a nice MD coin, but NGC slabbed it as a DD, so I'm not sure. I known NGC has made mistakes in the past, but they are uncommon. I did see it on eBay, but the price tag (in my opinion) is too much for this coin, so I'm not planning to buy it. Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I think that @Coinbuf is on to something here. I will admit I am stuck in the US Mint processes and procedures, but it could be a DD based upon how coins are minted in South Africa. I would not even know if the press is vertical or horizontal. It could even be possible they purchased their presses from China or some other country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:33 PM, ZAR details said: I did see it on eBay, but the price tag (in my opinion) is too much for this coin, so I'm not planning to buy it. You know it has a MAC sticker on it now, don't you. Smart move to pass this up, someone is looking for a sucker to take the bait. Coinbuf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...