samocain Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) Hello, i wanted to know if anyone of You guys, knows something about this features in this Half Dol coin. Double Star next to year Inverted number 4 next to flag Edited November 25, 2023 by samocain Wrong spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Welcome to the forum Those are known as counterstamps, they have been added for some reason after the coin has left the mint. Normally random counterstamps do not add any value to the coin as they could have been added anytime and anyone can do the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Even with the damage it's likely worth about $120 to a collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bill347 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) Interesting counter stamps given the date of 1867. The civil war had ended two years before. I noted three different counter stamps. 1 double star next to date 2 LR to the left of shield on reverse 3 reverse 4 between flag and star on obverse. the coin appears to be a late die state based on the weak denticles. As RWB stated it is still a collectible coin. Edited November 25, 2023 by Mr.Bill347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Meenderink Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) F 15 Details Counter Stamped /Harshly Cleaned. Worth around $75.00 as it is. Not a very attractive coin. If it wasn't cleaned or counter stamped it would be worth $130-$170 in F VF graded straight. Edited November 27, 2023 by Mike Meenderink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samocain Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 Thanks to all of You guys wich reply to this post. Some details for You to know: This coin have been stored away for many decades on a safe box with many others. In the safe box i found just 3 american coins the half dol from 1867, a one dime from 1883 and a trime (3 cents), from 1861. I just opened they safe box to days ago. I didnt clean any coin, and the safebox belonged to My great grandfather. I live in Chile, so i don't know to much about american coins and the marks on then aswell. In the safe i found many Chilean old coins, and some others from other places around the world. Thanks again. powermad5000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandon Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) Welcome to the NGC chat board. As others have stated, the star next to the date and the inverted "4" near the liberty cap (not flag) on your 1867-S Liberty Seated half dollar (a relatively common issue) are counterstamps that someone added after the coin left the mint. There also appears to be a counterstamp (initials?) on the rock on which Liberty sits. (The small "S" below the eagle is a mintmark indicating that the San Francisco mint produced this coin.) The coin's unnatural color and hairline scratches indicate that it has obviously been "cleaned" at some point, perhaps before it came into the possession of your family. The coin has Fine to Very Fine details; but the counterstamps, which aren't those of known merchants that some collect, and the "cleaning" tend to devalue it. The $75 estimate (retail) is about right. The 1883 Liberty Seated dime is a common date in this series. All were struck at the Philadelphia mint. If the reverse is as nice as the obverse, it is in Very Fine or so condition, with a retail value of $30 or so. The 1861 silver three cent piece is a counterfeit, probably of contemporary (nineteenth century) origin that was passed as money rather than having been made to deceive collectors. Some people collect these contemporary counterfeits, but I can't place a value on it. A genuine piece of this type looks like this 1869: Edited November 25, 2023 by Sandon EagleRJO and powermad5000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samocain Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 Hello Sandon, thanks for your answer. I am greatful for the knowledge shared with me. Here i Will post some pictures of the one dime and the three cent coins. Good week for all You guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powermad5000 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Hello! The dime posted above seems to be a well circulated genuine issue, but the 3 cent silver (trime) sure looks like a counterfeit. I don't think the font on the obverse is correct as the lettering looks to be too large compared to a genuine issue. Also on the reverse, the three I's (III) should line up at the top and bottom and be even in size and on your coin, they appear to be crooked and different from each other as well as the "C" shape seems to be not shaped correctly and the dots in it seem too large. Also, the leaves seem to be incorrect to a genuine example. Sandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dprince1138 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) It appears that stamped versions are somewhat popular and it does not seem to impact the value too much. As for a grade for the seated liberty dime, right off hand, I would say that grade would bedone would be F+ As for a grade for the 3 cent piece, right off hand, I would say that grade would bedone would be F+ as well. NGC Coin Price Guide and Values | NGC Edited November 27, 2023 by dprince1138 Mike Meenderink , powermad5000, Sandon and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Meenderink Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) On 11/26/2023 at 10:21 PM, dprince1138 said: It appears that stamped versions are somewhat popular and it does not seem to impact the value too much. As for a grade for the seated liberty dime, right off hand, I would say that grade would bedone would be F+ As for a grade for the 3 cent piece, right off hand, I would say that grade would bedone would be F+ as well. NGC Coin Price Guide and Values | NGC It appears that right off hand I would say I grade your comment F+ as well. Failure Plus. You bedone now too please. Edited November 27, 2023 by Mike Meenderink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samocain Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/27/2023 at 3:02 AM, powermad5000 said: Hello! The dime posted above seems to be a well circulated genuine issue, but the 3 cent silver (trime) sure looks like a counterfeit. I don't think the font on the obverse is correct as the lettering looks to be too large compared to a genuine issue. Also on the reverse, the three I's (III) should line up at the top and bottom and be even in size and on your coin, they appear to be crooked and different from each other as well as the "C" shape seems to be not shaped correctly and the dots in it seem too large. Also, the leaves seem to be incorrect to a genuine example. Hello, thanks for your answer. I also noticed that the S on the STATE Word is almost touching they T, so i Will asume that is an other fact to consider this a fake coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleRJO Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/27/2023 at 3:38 AM, samocain said: I agree with Sandon that 1861 3CS may be a contemporary counterfeit which some people collect. It appears old, but perhaps they can be made to look that way. I recall @ldhair might have some of these, but I'm not sure if any assistance could be provided in identifying same. powermad5000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhair Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Looks like a counterfeit to me as well. This maybe an early die state. Not much value in this condition but probably worth a bit more than the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
