Could this coin be real does not stick to magnet 1 1

[Kevin deon]

[Greenstang]

Welcome to the Chat Box.

It is not real, that is the wrong reverse for a Trade Dollar.

Probably some sort of a Fantasy Dollar

Edited July 30, 2023 by Greenstang

[EagleRJO]

It's a counterfeit.  In 1877 it would be a Trade Dollar with that noted on the reverse (see attached).  The reverse on the op's "coin" completely wrong

Edited July 31, 2023 by EagleRJO

[JKK]

Even if that conformed to the design of a Trade Dollar, which it doesn't, it not sticking to a magnet would not mean it was genuine. That only means that a small metal disk (that might not even be a coin) is not made of enough iron/nickel to be attracted to a magnet. In other words, that rules out one of the cheaper, crappier forms of fake. It by no means indicates authenticity.

It's like if the police suspect someone of involvement in a crime. If when checking into that person, they happen to have been dead before the crime was conceived, yeah, pretty sure that dead person is innocent. But if they happen to be alive, that doesn't mean they're guilty, It just rules out one of the most obvious causes of not-guiltiness.

[Coinbuf]

Welcome to the forum, it could be a magicians coin.   That is a coin where the coin is split apart and the center hollowed out so that the two pieces can then be placed back together.   In this case a trade dollar obv with a seated dollar rev, not saying that is what you have but it could be.

Edited July 30, 2023 by Coinbuf

[Kevin deon]

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On 7/30/2023 at 9:17 AM, JKK said:

Even if that conformed to the design of a Trade Dollar, which it doesn't, it not sticking to a magnet would not mean it was genuine. That only means that a small metal disk (that might not even be a coin) is not made of enough iron/nickel to be attracted to a magnet. In other words, that rules out one of the cheaper, crappier forms of fake. It by no means indicates authenticity.

It's like if the police suspect someone of involvement in a crime. If when checking into that person, they happen to have been dead before the crime was conceived, yeah, pretty sure that dead person is innocent. But if they happen to be alive, that doesn't mean they're guilty, It just rules out one of the most obvious causes of not-guiltiness.

Thanks 

[Kevin deon]

On 7/30/2023 at 9:38 AM, Coinbuf said:

Welcome to the forum, it could be a magicians coin.   That is a coin where the coin is split apart and the center hollowed out so that the two pieces can then be placed back together.   In this case a trade dollar obv with a Morgan dollar rev, not saying that is what you have but it could be.

Thanks 

[Kevin deon]

On 7/30/2023 at 9:06 AM, Greenstang said:

Welcome to the Chat Box.

It is not real, that is the wrong reverse for a Trade Dollar.

Probably some sort of a Fantasy Dollar

Thanks 

[EagleRJO]

On 7/30/2023 at 10:38 AM, Coinbuf said:

Welcome to the forum, it could be a magicians coin ... In this case a trade dollar obv with a Morgan dollar rev, not saying that is what you have but it could be.

I don't see a seam.  And I think you meant to go the other way timeline wise as it looks similar to a mid-1800's Seated Liberty dollar reverse, not a Morgan.

[Coinbuf]

On 7/30/2023 at 8:48 AM, EagleRJO said:

I don't see a seam.  And I think you meant to go the other way timeline wise as it looks similar to a mid-1800's Seated Liberty dollar reverse, not a Morgan.

Opps yes you are correct, was shooting some Morgan dollar photos and had that on the brain.

[Hoghead515]

Fake coin but it looks like it could still yet be silver. I could be wrong. You would have to do some proper test to find out or take it to someone. No collector value but if its silver at least it has bullion value. 

[Mike Meenderink]

Thats a fake. Could you please destroy the coin? Technically if the coin is not marked copy it is a violation of federal counterfeiting law. That type of thing floating around is very bad for coin collecting. Especially for those that are not as familiar with coins of that type. Another option is to counterstamp it COPY or NOT GENUINE. Thanks

Edited July 30, 2023 by Mike Meenderink

[EagleRJO]

On 7/30/2023 at 12:16 PM, Hoghead515 said:

Fake coin but it looks like it could still yet be silver.

Looks more like an off-metal alloy, and I seriously doubt silver would be used for such a crude fake where they couldn't even match the sides. 

[Sandon]

   The fine details of each side of this piece, as well as its overall appearance, are wrong for both the Trade dollar obverse and the Seated dollar reverse. Note, for example, the crudeness and fatness of the figure of Liberty on the Trade dollar obverse as compared to that of the genuine coin depicted by @EagleRJO. It's probably just a muling of modern counterfeit dies for a Trade dollar obverse and a Seated dollar reverse. 

[powermad5000]

Most certainly not genuine. Before even seeing the reverse, the denticles were the first thing to alert me that the coin was a fake.