Is it a good copy of 1804 Liberty coin? 1 1

[Hesham Mansour]

[Fenntucky Mike]

No, not particularly. 

[Just Bob]

No, not really.

[Greenstang]

Let’s say it resembles a 1804 Dollar.  
Even the weight Is off.

Edited June 7, 2023 by Greenstang
Correct spelling

[Henri Charriere]

While it is neither unlawful nor illegal, or worse--a Violation of the Chat Board Guidelines to answer your question with specificity, it will upset the sensibilities of prominent members of the Anti-Counterfeiting League who maintain an influential presence on this Forum.  

[Sandon]

   No. This is a "ludicrous forgery" that looks nothing like a genuine and extremely rare "1804" novodel silver dollar.  

[robec1347]

Notice any difference?
 

[RWB]

Just another awful counterfeit. Put it out of its misery with a hammer.

[VKurtB]

On 6/7/2023 at 6:07 PM, robec1347 said:

Notice any difference?
 

Absolutely identical. 

[JKK]

Nope. You'll have to improve your diemaking skills.

[Henri Charriere]

On 6/7/2023 at 7:31 PM, RWB said:

Just another awful counterfeit. Put it out of its misery with a hammer.

To the OP:

See what I mean?  🤣

I believe one of the finest reproductions of this coin was executed by the Intaglio Mint a few years back which did not require a COPY mark for at least three reasons:  1. It was rendered in .999 fine silver; 2. It weighed two troy ounces and was double the thickness of the original, and 3. If it were certifiable, it would likely grade as a MS-68, or better.  As a practical matter it would make little or no practical economic sense to pass it.  

[RWB]

If it looks like a coin or acts like a coin it is a counterfeit. The only words are: 1) statement of a legal tender denomination, and 2) "United States of America." Likewise, anything that can function or be used like money, or is representative to be a legal tender (Von Nutthouse fakes) is a counterfeit under the same laws. Composition, date, design, size, weight are all immaterial, although reasonable limits apply. All of the Colorado Counterfeiter's junk are counterfeits. (Defacing a coin for the purpose of impressing a new design or deceiving othersis also a felony.)

[rrantique]

 

 

On 6/7/2023 at 7:46 PM, VKurtB said:

Absolutely identical. 

 

[R__Rash]

On 6/7/2023 at 11:05 PM, rrantique said:

 

 

 

She is looken better, every beer?

[R__Rash]

Was this part of the storage unit hoard?

[VKurtB]

On 6/7/2023 at 10:04 PM, RWB said:

If it looks like a coin or acts like a coin it is a counterfeit. The only words are: 1) statement of a legal tender denomination, and 2) "United States of America." Likewise, anything that can function or be used like money, or is representative to be a legal tender (Von Nutthouse fakes) is a counterfeit under the same laws. Composition, date, design, size, weight are all immaterial, although reasonable limits apply. All of the Colorado Counterfeiter's junk are counterfeits. (Defacing a coin for the purpose of impressing a new design or deceiving othersis also a felony.)

Suffice is to say here that virtually no one else in the hobby or the law who has looked at this issue carefully agrees with Mr. @RWB. It is an opinion largely his own and unique to him.

[zadok]

On 6/7/2023 at 11:04 PM, RWB said:

If it looks like a coin or acts like a coin it is a counterfeit. The only words are: 1) statement of a legal tender denomination, and 2) "United States of America." Likewise, anything that can function or be used like money, or is representative to be a legal tender (Von Nutthouse fakes) is a counterfeit under the same laws. Composition, date, design, size, weight are all immaterial, although reasonable limits apply. All of the Colorado Counterfeiter's junk are counterfeits. (Defacing a coin for the purpose of impressing a new design or deceiving othersis also a felony.)

...recycled garbage once again....

[Henri Charriere]

I could probably secure a letter from the Secret Service declaring my 3" diameter Flying Eagle Cent, historically antiqued and produced to precise specifications, was nothing more than a paperweight or coaster, but @RWB would declare the crisp Crane and Company missive typed on engraved letter to be a fraud and if you lose @RWB you've lost it all.  You can't win for losing.  

 

[Henri Charriere]

Diameter: 3 inches.

No way this can be confused with a legitimate, genuine counterfeit!

[VKurtB]

Reductio ad absurdum.

Edited June 11, 2023 by VKurtB