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[VKurtB]

On 6/10/2024 at 11:23 PM, Sandon said:

  Presumably, the reference is to the 2016-W centennial commemorative issue, containing a tenth of an ounce of .9999 fine gold and bearing the design of the "Mercury" dime. The mint sold 124,885 of them, according to the "Red Book", which lists them in between the 2015 and 2016 Roosevelt dime issues, at least in the 2023 edition.  There were similar 2016-W gold commemorative issues of the Standing Liberty quarter and the Liberty Walking half dollar.

I consider listing any and all of the 2016 gold tribute coins with their design partners to be silly, erroneous, and darned stupid. They are gold bullion coins, PERIOD, and should be listed with other gold bullion in the Red Book. 

[VKurtB]

On 6/13/2024 at 2:00 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I have never heard or read about any "Sight White" (NOT Slight  )....but it apparently is some newfangled thing for silver/white coins:

https://sightwhite.com/

Looks like a guy just trying to copycat CAC on a much much smaller scale.

 

The sight white sticker was created by a long time dealer from Philadelphia, whose name temporarily escapes me. He bought a bunch of graded Morgans from me.

Found him. Robert Paul, from South Street in Philly. 

Edited June 13 by VKurtB

[Henri Charriere]

On 6/13/2024 at 12:25 PM, Halbrook Family said:

I thought this Merc looks really good. I thought it was the same size. The Kennedy looks amazing but can't really afford that one

 

FWIW:  

MERCURY DIME:          16.5 mm diameter.

2016 CENTENNIAL DIME: 17.91 mm diameter.

Any other specs are readily accessible on the internet. 

Regarding "looks".  I examined it closely with my antique 30-power jeweler's loupe. (Yes, the very one VKurtB explicitly forbade me from using) and, like your example above, I thought it was lacking in explicit detail -- aggravated by the fact that it is comprised of "pure," theoretically SOFT gold, unalloyed with any other metal.

In short, I am not a happy camper.

 

[powermad5000]

On 6/13/2024 at 2:00 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

I have never heard or read about any "Sight White" (NOT Slight  )....but it apparently is some newfangled thing for silver/white coins:

Sight White is actually not new. Its been around since about 2017. I remember getting a card about the company at CSNS in 2019.

[Crawtomatic]

On 6/12/2024 at 9:28 AM, Henri Charriere said:

There is one variable no one ever seems to acknowledge.  It is not the TPGS that is grading/certifying your coin. It is a group of, for the most part, nameless, faceless people who theoretically are free tovcome and go, be promoted or otherwise elevated -- even retired. Of course, this only confirms subjectivity, buy there is no telling whether what grader finds appealing overall fails to impress another.

A review of comments lodged on this Forum confirms this:  some are fans of strong strikes; others are swayed by eye appeal.  Not a week goes by that one member fails to use the line "now graded ______ by NGC."

This is a great observation QA.  I think it's acknowledged, but not exactly in the way you mean of grading staff turnover.  Generally, it's when people talk about the slab history and the standards of how those coins would grade if re-assessed now.  

There was an interview with JA of CAC in regard to the grading team he has setup in Virginia Beach for CACG.  He mentioned that once that team of graders, or at least the senior finalizers retire, they would change their holder or label to signify that somehow.  Probably just the label.  I should just go re-watch the video rather than paraphrase it from memory.  Either way, point stands that he, at least, is going to more directly acknowledge that staff turnover in the product.

[Henri Charriere]

On 3/2/2023 at 7:36 PM, Coinbuf said:

MAC stickers are a joke....

...At the end of the day it is up to each collector to decide what, if any, value the opinion behind the sticker is worth to them.

In re-reading this thread, I believe one's opinion of these stickers lies, in large part, on one's measure of the man behind them. I do not know who is behind the introduction of the MAC sticker -- and the OP has not provided that information -- but I know John Albanese is behind CAC, and he has a gaggle of followers including members @MarkFeld and @zadok.  Our globe-trotting, frequent-flyer miler, apparently is not an admirer of JA, so it stands to reason, by extension, he is not a fan of CAC.  CAC did not sticker raw coins but CACG does, or will. I remain uncommitted on stickering. I attribute that to age. If I were a whippersnapper, in the prime of my life, I might be more receptive, but as it stands now, No. Very often, opinion can be formed on the strength of the chatter generated. I have not encountered any critical of CAC. And MAC, by comparison, is a virtual unknown.

[Henri Charriere]

On 3/6/2023 at 9:02 AM, “” said:

There is / was the QA stickers as well.

Q.A.:  I don't know how this got by me, but I am flattered!  🤣

[powermad5000]

On 6/27/2024 at 6:12 PM, Henri Charriere said:

In re-reading this thread, I believe one's opinion of these stickers lies, in large part, on one's measure of the man behind them. I do not know who is behind the introduction of the MAC sticker -- and the OP has not provided that information

After doing numerous searches for MAC and subsequent variations I still cannot come up with the actual website for the company nor for its services. The best I was able to find was this info from a January 28th, 2015 Coin World article by Paul Gilkes :

A new Florida firm has begun identifying what it calls “Grade Enhancements” on certified and encapsulated modern coins, by adding a sticker to the slabs of coins meeting company criteria.

MACge LLC, Monroe, Fla., offers a two-pronged system for designating specific elements of coins that exhibit value-added characteristics. Each coin that meets the firm’s criteria will be have the holder stickered with a copyrighted hologram.

The MACge principals are Charles Alan Hager, Eli Meisels and Mike Rubin.

MACge will accept for MAC stickering all U.S. and foreign Mint State coins from 1960 to the present, though only coins already graded and encapsulated by Professional Coin Grading Service or Numismatic Guaranty Corp.

 

‘MACABLE’ coins

The “MAC” component of the company name is an acronym for “Modern Approved Coin,” and “ge” stands for “Grade Enhancement.”

Any modern coin that MACge believes to be undergraded by one of the two top grading services — a coin the firm considers “premium quality,” or “PQ” — is considered to be “MACABLE.”

According to the firm, a PCGS- or NGC-certified coin that has exceptional characteristics for its grade, say Mint State 67, would be designed MS-67 MAC (PQ).

The GE or Grade Enhancements component of the company’s designation “refers to valuing a coin taking into consideration features that may not have been considered previously,” according to the firm.

 

 

One of the links bought me to some foreign website (sketchy so I wouldn't use any of the links if you find the original article). 

What I also find poor about this MAC company is if you want to be reputable, then why can I not even find your website from a browser search??? I have no idea how or where people send their coins to be stickered by this service. Junk if you ask me.