does this CC morgan look .....???? 0

[dollarfan]

i was browsing ebay thinking i want a couple toned morgans.  this is in one of those NNC slabs and is described as gem uncirculated.  Please advise your thoughts thanks!

[KyCoinKollektor]

16 minutes ago, dollarfan said:

i was browsing ebay thinking i want a couple toned morgans.  this is in one of those NNC slabs and is described as gem uncirculated.  Please advise your thoughts thanks!

Nice coin, but idk about a gem the reverse has a lot of wear on the arrows and on olive branch above “cc”. Obverse looks great but reverse appears to be cleaned as when I zoom in I see see several parallel hairlines going the same direction. But since it’s not in hand it’s hard to tell. Again this is just my opinion and I’m sure someone with a lot more knowledge will chime in and give you better advice to go on.

[dollarfan]

do the images make it appear it is out of the slab based on shadow depth?

[JKK]

The mint mark does not look right and parts of the reverse look quite circulated.

[dollarfan]

8 minutes ago, JKK said:

The mint mark does not look right and parts of the reverse look quite circulated.

yeah thats what im seeing also,  it looks like EF45 ish but i dont know enough to be certain.  the feet of the eagle appear totally worn off, no arrow details and soft mushy hair on the obverse definately doesnt look UNC.  what do you think of the toning?  does it look natural and wouldnt some of the toning wrap to the back edge even if it was and "end of roll" coin

[dollarfan]

after doing some research it appears the seller and the NNC grading company may be one and the same.  they have alot of coins of different denominations that have almost identical toning/ color patterns.  i am very curious as to the toning and if it is all AT??

[JKK]

I don't have an opinion on the toning. Toning is not my thing.

[bsshog40]

Just something about the coin that just doesn't look right to me. I just don't like the color or the pics. 

[MarkFeld]

The coin looks artificially toned. And considering the detail on the obverse, portions of the reverse look surprisingly weak. There are more than enough reasons to avoid this piece.

Edited January 1, 2021 by MarkFeld

[RWB]

Counterfeit from head to tail.

[MarkFeld]

5 minutes ago, RWB said:

Counterfeit from head to tail.

I though that, other than the color, the obverse looked plausible but that the reverse weakness didn’t compute.

[RWB]

Rev: Luster at right vs weak, smooth features at tail is a clear giveaway; add the phony mintmark, etc., etc. Obv has similar detail inconsistencies. This is the kind of garbage that is killing interest among potential collectors.

The hobby really needs aggressive anti-counterfeiting action not babbling and blabbing. ANA, as the chartered agent of collectors, SHOULD be doing this - but the ANA Board got it's clothes from the same tailor as the Emperor's new suit.

Edited January 1, 2021 by RWB

[Coinbuf]

The coin does not look right at all, you should be running away from this coin it is a serious dog even if it is real.

[dollarfan]

the guy claims to be one of the oldest sellers on ebay and ALOT of his coins look very similarly toned and just off?  and he apparently is the person who slabs the NNC coins based on unconfirmed info i read???

[MarkFeld]

11 minutes ago, dollarfan said:

the guy claims to be one of the oldest sellers on ebay and ALOT of his coins look very similarly toned and just off?  and he apparently is the person who slabs the NNC coins based on unconfirmed info i read???

Can you post a link to his listings?

[dollarfan]

1878-CC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR GEM UNCIRCULATED IRIDESCENT TONING RARE THIS NICE!! | eBay

[dollarfan]

1892-CC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR CHOICE UNCIRCULATED NICE COLOR!! RARE THIS NICE!! | eBay

 

this was another i was looking at

[dollarfan]

3 hours ago, MarkFeld said:

Can you post a link to his listings?

sir on the 1892 reverse what do you observe on the top rim/edge?  it looks off centered but not not quite the same on the front?  i get to looking at the images and start second guessing what i may or may not be seeing/  thanks 

[MarkFeld]

35 minutes ago, dollarfan said:

sir on the 1892 reverse what do you observe on the top rim/edge?  it looks off centered but not not quite the same on the front?  i get to looking at the images and start second guessing what i may or may not be seeing/  thanks 

I think it’s just the angle. But it doesn’t really matter, as the coin looks AU and artificially toned. I’d avoid those listings altogether.

[bsshog40]

Some of his toned Morgans look NT to me but I do question some others. I'm also not wondering if his pictures are scanned. A scanner has tendencies to take away a lot from a coin, including luster and possible representation of actual colors. 

[Hoghead515]

I never understood why anyone would want to take a really old coin like that in very good condition and ruin it with artificial toning. Completely ruin a very old piece of history. Just my opinion it should be illegal. Breaks my heart to see it. 

[Just Bob]

This particular seller, centsles, has been mentioned more than once over the years - here and ATS - as a seller of problem coins. He/she is best avoided.

[VKurtB]

On 1/1/2021 at 8:17 PM, Just Bob said:

This particular seller, centsles, has been mentioned more than once over the years - here and ATS - as a seller of problem coins. He/she is best avoided.

Some people see color on a coin and lose their ability to think.

[Conder101]

On 1/1/2021 at 9:11 PM, Hoghead515 said:

I never understood why anyone would want to take a really old coin like that in very good condition and ruin it with artificial toning.

Money, the ability to separate a lot more money from a sucker than a knowledgeable collector.

[Hoghead515]

1 hour ago, Conder101 said:

Money, the ability to separate a lot more money from a sucker than a knowledgeable collector.

It really bothers me to see it. Once its done its ruined. No going back. I wouldn't have the heart to do that. Supposed to be preserving them. Not altering them. Some people don't care about nothing but greed. Don't care if there be any good ones left for our future generations to enjoy. Sorry to carry on like this. It just frustrates me to see people deface something like that over 100 years old just to make a dollar.