GoldBear150 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 This Morgan dollar weights very light when i picked it up. I try comparing with my other Morgan dollars for reference. here some pictures front and back of the dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Do you have a scale to weigh it on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I’m wondering why fake a ‘21 Morgan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Because if you can make it for 50 cents and sell it for $20+ you can make some money. Who's going to look at them closely? Contemporary counterfeits are also a possibility because back then silver was cheap enough that the counterfeiters could make them out of good silver of the proper fineness and still make a decent profit just passing them at face value. In 1921 silver was 65 cents an oz so a silver dollar had 50 cents worth of silver in it and would pass for $1. If you had a press that could do 60 coins a minute that could be a $1,800 profit per hour. and in 1921 that would be a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldBear150 Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 I have a scale to weight it. It weights:18.2g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 According to NGC Coin Explorer, a genuine 1921 Morgan silver dollar weighs 26.73 grams. The three most likely scenarios (in no particular order) are: A) your scale is off B) the planchet was underweight C) the coin is a fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_OldeTowne Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Fake. These can be randomly added to rolls and the rolls sold at full value to unsuspecting collectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldBear150 Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 I try the magnet test and a sigma metalytics machine. First the magnet did not pick up the morgan.Second the machine verified it is silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Put 2 nickels on your scale and post the weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 4:48 AM, Conder101 said: Because if you can make it for 50 cents and sell it for $20+ you can make some money. Who's going to look at them closely? Contemporary counterfeits are also a possibility because back then silver was cheap enough that the counterfeiters could make them out of good silver of the proper fineness and still make a decent profit just passing them at face value. In 1921 silver was 65 cents an oz so a silver dollar had 50 cents worth of silver in it and would pass for $1. If you had a press that could do 60 coins a minute that could be a $1,800 profit per hour. and in 1921 that would be a lot of money. But if I had the wherewithal to create a convincing looking fake Morgan dollar, why do a 1921? That makes no sense at all to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldBear150 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 I put two nickles on my scale. It weights 9.9g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrinz Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Silver plated pot metal Its fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldBear150 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 $20.00 Lesson learned. This one caught me off guard because of the weight. Going to keep this coin in my fake coin album so i do not make a mistake like this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrinz Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, GoldBear150 said: $20.00 Lesson learned. This one caught me off guard because of the weight. Going to keep this coin in my fake coin album so i do not make a mistake like this again. Take a real one and this one and drop on a table you will notice a distinct ring difference of the coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 12 hours ago, GoldBear150 said: I put two nickles on my scale. It weights 9.9g. Should weigh 10 grams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrinz Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, RWB said: Should weigh 10 grams. Yeah not a big difference considering the base weight of his 21 morgan which is WAY under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 21 hours ago, VKurtB said: But if I had the wherewithal to create a convincing looking fake Morgan dollar, why do a 1921? That makes no sense at all to me. Are we talking modern fake or contemporary counterfeit? Contemporary, pretty much all dollars were worth a dollar so you made something recent that wasn't going to attract attention Same reason the made the micro O fakes they were just going to spened them so any date would do. Modern well as determined this was made light weight to either fool a non collector or to slip in with cull silver dollars. If closely examined it probably isn't good enough to get past a knowledgeable collector so a rare date piece definitely wouldn't. It all depends on the market you're trying to swindle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
