1971 d penny ST_TES

[Hinkle]

What do you think , polishing error, also no E in front of pluribus. Also on front of coin, is the date intentionally done that way.

[Hinkle]

[JKK]

Looks like a sustained abrasive pattern on the reverse, whether accidental (stuck in something) or on purpose. More likely accidental, I think, because most abrasion done by human hands or tools would show evidence. Damaged coin, basically.

[Hinkle]

15 hours ago, JKK said:

Looks like a sustained abrasive pattern on the reverse, whether accidental (stuck in something) or on purpose. More likely accidental, I think, because most abrasion done by human hands or tools would show evidence. Damaged coin, basically.

Thank you, you don't see that every day. Haha 

[Mohawk]

Agreed with JKK.  Damaged coin that looks like it could be a legitimate error at first glance, but that reveals its damage upon further inspection.

[Hinkle]

3 hours ago, Mohawk said:

Agreed with JKK.  Damaged coin that looks like it could be a legitimate error at first glance, but that reveals its damage upon further inspection.

For further inspection, do I need to send it in to have it looked at. If so can you give me some advice how to do something like that. Sending coins in I have never done. But what would your thoughts be, so I know what to work with. 

[Mohawk]

Hi Hinkle,

Since I am certain that your coin is damaged, I would not recommend sending it in for grading.  While it does have an interesting look, it is only worth face value because that look is caused by damage.  To send a modern coin into NGC, you're going to pay a minimum grading fee of $17.  Then, you have to apply a $10 handling fee to all NGC orders.  You also have to add to that what NGC charges for return shipping, which would be a minimum of $24.  And, even after paying NGC $51, you still have to pay for shipping to NGC, which would vary according to service chosen and the amount you would insure the coin for.  Submitting this cent to NGC is just a good way to lose around $62 by my estimation.  I'd hold onto my money and keep hunting if I were you Hinkle.

Cheers!

~Tom

[Hinkle]

2 minutes ago, Mohawk said:

Hi Hinkle,

Since I am certain that your coin is damaged, I would not recommend sending it in for grading.  While it does have an interesting look, it is only worth face value because that look is caused by damage.  To send a modern coin into NGC, you're going to pay a minimum grading fee of $17.  Then, you have to apply a $10 handling fee to all NGC orders.  You also have to add to that what NGC charges for return shipping, which would be a minimum of $24.  And, even after paying NGC $51, you still have to pay for shipping to NGC, which would vary according to service chosen and the amount you would insure the coin for.  Submitting this cent to NGC is just a good way to lose around $62 by my estimation.  I'd hold onto my money and keep hunting if I were you Hinkle.

Cheers!

~Tom

Thank you, the info was good. But always hunting. 😁

[JKK]

56 minutes ago, Hinkle said:

For further inspection, do I need to send it in to have it looked at. If so can you give me some advice how to do something like that. Sending coins in I have never done. But what would your thoughts be, so I know what to work with. 

My thoughts are simple: don't. Believe Tom when he tells you it's a waste of $62. Instead, take the $62 out and buy a really nice coin, and you will have won.

[Mohawk]

On 2/6/2019 at 7:26 PM, JKK said:

My thoughts are simple: don't. Believe Tom when he tells you it's a waste of $62. Instead, take the $62 out and buy a really nice coin, and you will have won.

That is excellent advice JKK.  Thanks for the kind words.  You can get some very nice coins for $62.....or even lower!  My fiancee and I went to our favorite coin shop yesterday for our anniversary (she's a collector too) and I got an awesome toned 1967 Canadian Proof Like Set that is totally worth sending in for grading.  The cost?  $30!  One of the guys there said he'd buy the set back for what I paid for it anytime and I politely declined and said the next time he'd see it would likely be on my Registry.

[JKK]

1 hour ago, Mohawk said:

That is excellent advice JKK.  Thanks for the kind words.  You can get some very nice coins for $62.....or even lower!  My fiancee and I went to our favorite coin shop yesterday for our anniversary (she's s collector too) and I got an awesome toned 1967 Canadian Proof Like Set that is totally worth sending in for grading.  The cost?  $30!  One of the guys there said he'd buy the set back for what I paid for it anytime and I politely declined and said the next time he'd see it would likely be on my Registry.

Indeed one can. If I were taking my own and your advice in the OP's position, I'd go ask my club's ancient specialist, who has been a mentor to me, if he had anything he wanted to get rid of that would be a great value at $62. I'd probably end up with something really sweet. Good deal on the eh-proofs; I like Canadian stuff, and the centennial designs are very cool.

[Mohawk]

1 hour ago, JKK said:

Indeed one can. If I were taking my own and your advice in the OP's position, I'd go ask my club's ancient specialist, who has been a mentor to me, if he had anything he wanted to get rid of that would be a great value at $62. I'd probably end up with something really sweet. Good deal on the eh-proofs; I like Canadian stuff, and the centennial designs are very cool.

That sounds like a great plan JKK!  Ancients are pretty cool.  I only own a single one, an Antoninianus of Octacilia Severa, but I definitely dig it!  I've thought about picking up some more Roman Empress coins, but I've realized my stunning ignorance regarding ancients.....I definitely need to read up more before I make any further purchases in that area.  I did well with the one I have, but I also know when something is luck rather than skill.  You can get some sweet deals in ancients though.  I love Canadian stuff......after some heavy thinking, I've decided to make it my main collecting focus once again.  They're beautiful coins from a beautiful country...I absolutely love it up there!  Can't go wrong

[JKK]

2 minutes ago, Mohawk said:

That sounds like a great plan JKK!  Ancients are pretty cool.  I only own a single one, an Antoninianus of Octacilia Severa, but I definitely dig it!  I've thought about picking up some more Roman Empress coins, but I've realized my stunning ignorance regarding ancients.....I definitely need to read up more before I make any further purchases in that are.  I did well with the one I have, but I also know when something is luck rather than skill.  You can get some sweet deals in ancients though.  I love Canadian stuff......after some heavy thinking, I've decided to make it my main collecting focus once again.  They're beautiful coins from a beautiful country...I absolutely love it up there!  Can't go wrong

Otacilia's ants were good because they happened before the denomination was turned into billon. I have a couple that I like very much. On Roman imperial silver, watch for a sort of shadowing effect between lettering and edge; you can probably see it on your coin. It's a good marker for authenticity.

We love going up to BC (I'm in Portland, OR) and I've long enjoyed Canadian issues, especially pre-Confederation stuff. I have some friends in Trail for whom the short answer was it was really convenient for them if I bought some tickets in advance down here, and in lieu of reimbursement, I asked them to go out and buy what they considered a really gorgeous Canadian coin of equivalent value. They came back with a 1935 $1 with lavish detail and full originality. I'd really like to collect more of their old 5c pieces--hard to find in nice shape.

[Mohawk]

On 2/6/2019 at 10:31 PM, JKK said:

Otacilia's ants were good because they happened before the denomination was turned into billon. I have a couple that I like very much. On Roman imperial silver, watch for a sort of shadowing effect between lettering and edge; you can probably see it on your coin. It's a good marker for authenticity.

We love going up to BC (I'm in Portland, OR) and I've long enjoyed Canadian issues, especially pre-Confederation stuff. I have some friends in Trail for whom the short answer was it was really convenient for them if I bought some tickets in advance down here, and in lieu of reimbursement, I asked them to go out and buy what they considered a really gorgeous Canadian coin of equivalent value. They came back with a 1935 $1 with lavish detail and full originality. I'd really like to collect more of their old 5c pieces--hard to find in nice shape.

JKK....I do see the shadowing on my coin!  That's an awesome thing to know!  And it's also good to know that Otacilia's (forgive my misspelling of her name) ant is before the debasement.  I did not know that either.  I've learned some great stuff already!

BC is absolutely gorgeous!  I visited when I lived on the West Coast after high school during the early 2000's  I live in Newark, NY now, which is about 40 miles away from Rochester, NY, so I'm most familiar with the province of Ontario, particularly Niagara Falls and Toronto.  I absolutely love both places and I loved BC.  I love the natural beauty, the culture, the people.......everything about it!  My fiancee and I have talked about possibly emigrating once we've finished our graduate degrees if we can find work up there.  I guess we'll have to wait and see!

I'd say your friends in Trail did well by you.  I know I'd be thrilled by a gorgeous, original 1935 $1!  With the 5 cents, are you talking silver or early nickel?  Because both have their challenges from what I've seen!!  I love them both, so I think a pursuit of either type would be a worthwhile venture!

[Just Bob]

...And Hinkle is standing off to the side, thinking, " Umm - wasn't this thread supposed to be about my '71D?"

[Hinkle]

14 hours ago, Mohawk said:

That is excellent advice JKK.  Thanks for the kind words.  You can get some very nice coins for $62.....or even lower!  My fiancee and I went to our favorite coin shop yesterday for our anniversary (she's s collector too) and I got an awesome toned 1967 Canadian Proof Like Set that is totally worth sending in for grading.  The cost?  $30!  One of the guys there said he'd buy the set back for what I paid for it anytime and I politely declined and said the next time he'd see it would likely be on my Registry.

After reading all this, I was thinking about jumping on the wagon. Moving wherever, and buying some really cool coins. 62, or 63 dollars should really go along ways. Haha. Almost thinking about going to a coin shop and looking for sets or something interesting. I know I'm new but this is really awesome. Specially knowing there's really cool different coins out there. But I'm being careful so I don't get skunk on anything. Because I here about alot of fakes going on. But I think the more I read up in others post on here, I'm learning more with alot a advice that is given to everyone. Lol my momma didn't raise no dummy. Hahahaha. 🤪😁

[Hinkle]

Also I live in Nebraska , not much around as coin shops.  But only 10 minutes away from Colorado. So I would drive 2 hours into Denver, where there's tons of coin shops. But that nice about living here, you get to travel to go do anything, witch it makes it more interesting. So definitely planning a road trip. 😉

[JKK]

54 minutes ago, Hinkle said:

Also I live in Nebraska , not much around as coin shops.  But only 10 minutes away from Colorado. So I would drive 2 hours into Denver, where there's tons of coin shops. But that nice about living here, you get to travel to go do anything, witch it makes it more interesting. So definitely planning a road trip. 😉

I used to live in Fort Collins. It's big enough to support a coin shop these days, easily. So is Greeley. I suggest you start with the ANA Dealer Directory for Nebraska, and if none of those are near you, switch the state search to CO. Might even be one in Cheyenne or Laramie.

It's valid to be concerned about fakes. Certain types of coins are commonly counterfeited.

[JKK]

12 hours ago, Mohawk said:

BC is absolutely gorgeous!  I visited a couple of times when I lived on the West Coast after high school during the early 2000's  I live in Newark, NY now, which is about 40 miles away from Rochester, NY, so I'm most familiar with the province of Ontario, particularly Niagara Falls and Toronto.  I absolutely love both places and I loved BC.  I love the natural beauty, the culture, the people.......everything about it!  My fiancee and I have talked about possibly emigrating once we've finished our graduate degrees if we can find work up there.  I guess we'll have to wait and see!

I'd say your friends in Trail did well by you.  I know I'd be thrilled by a gorgeous, original 1935 $1!  With the 5 cents, are you talking silver or early nickel?  Because both have their challenges from what I've seen!!  I love them both, so I think a pursuit of either type would be a worthwhile venture!

The coolest thing about Canadian travel is their gift for getting you up close and personal with the attraction. If the Canadians have a waterfall, they aren't satisfied until you can feel the mist. If they have a canyon, they will take you down it, or in it. There's a place just west of Jasper where they set up the road so that all of a sudden you come around a corner and your windshield is full of Mt. Robson. Never been to eastern Canada (nor to most of the eastern US, for that matter), but would like to see it. We could find out in Quebec how truly lousy my French is.

I was absolutely delighted with the $1, so I concur. I was thinking particularly of the 5c silver, essentially half dimes though I don't think Canadians called them that. Such tiny dinky little coins...but very cool.

[Mohawk]

3 hours ago, JKK said:

The coolest thing about Canadian travel is their gift for getting you up close and personal with the attraction. If the Canadians have a waterfall, they aren't satisfied until you can feel the mist. If they have a canyon, they will take you down it, or in it. There's a place just west of Jasper where they set up the road so that all of a sudden you come around a corner and your windshield is full of Mt. Robson. Never been to eastern Canada (nor to most of the eastern US, for that matter), but would like to see it. We could find out in Quebec how truly lousy my French is.

I was absolutely delighted with the $1, so I concur. I was thinking particularly of the 5c silver, essentially half dimes though I don't think Canadians called them that. Such tiny dinky little coins...but very cool.

That is so true!  I wish I could have experienced more of western Canada myself.....I only got up to Vancouver one time in my life, and sadly that's it for me and western Canada.  I'd love to be able to get that view of Mt. Robson!  Hey, I'm still young-ish (38), I have time.  Maybe I'll get to see more of the West someday!  I've never been to Quebec myself, but I'd love to go and I know for a fact that what little French I have is absolutely atrocious!  However, from what I know from people I know who've been to Quebec and from Quebecois I've met in Ontario, they just appreciate it if you try.  That goes a very long way with them.  If you try and your French isn't good, most Quebecois will gladly switch to English for you.  Very nice people and very forgiving in the language area, at least the ones I've met in Ontario. 

The 5 Cent silvers are a great series, but very challenging as you've previously mentioned......very difficult to find in nice grade and problem free as well.  I have one from the reign of Victoria, an 1886, probably VF in grade.  I love it!  However, I don't feel that I'm up to the challenge of pursuing the series and my main collecting thing is Cameo Proof Like pieces from 1961 to 1975.  They're absolutely addictive to hunt for, at least they are for me.  Many people don't realize how tough finding cameos on those coins is, and I love the challenge!  And you're absolutely correct that the Canadians never use the term "half dime" for the 5 cent silvers.  They either call them simply 5 cent silvers or "fish scales".  Many Canadians don't even use terms like dime, quarter, nickel.  They see them as American terms and prefer to refer to the coins by their proper denomination name, "fish scales" aside .  It allows their coins to retain a Canadian identity.

[Mohawk]

4 hours ago, Hinkle said:

After reading all this, I was thinking about jumping on the wagon. Moving wherever, and buying some really cool coins. 62, or 63 dollars should really go along ways. Haha. Almost thinking about going to a coin shop and looking for sets or something interesting. I know I'm new but this is really awesome. Specially knowing there's really cool different coins out there. But I'm being careful so I don't get skunk on anything. Because I here about alot of fakes going on. But I think the more I read up in others post on here, I'm learning more with alot a advice that is given to everyone. Lol my momma didn't raise no dummy. Hahahaha. 🤪😁

Hey Hinkle,

You could definitely have a lot of fun in a coin shop for $62 and it's great to hear that you're enjoying the hobby so far!  It's a great pastime, one I've found to be very rewarding over the years I've done it.  JKK has given you some great advice as far as finding a coin shop, I'd definitely recommend taking it.  I've been through Nebraska in my travels, and there isn't much there from what I've seen.  But Colorado should definitely have some coin shops and its entirely possible that larger cities in Nebraska have some too.  Some research should help you find that out quick.  Coin shops are great.....you can see a lot of coins all at once and get a great feel for what you may like and what you may not.  It's a great experience!

 

[Mohawk]

4 hours ago, Just Bob said:

...And Hinkle is standing off to the side, thinking, " Umm - wasn't this thread supposed to be about my '71D?"

So true Bob!  JKK got me started on two of my favorite topics.....coins and Canada!  It's easy to get me off on a tangent on either one