Hold the Presses! The Thread is BACK!

[BillJones]

 

 

 

During the evening I use my iPad to look at various coin sites. A couple of nights ago I ran into this posting and thread ATS that had a poll on an 1843 large cent. Was it genuine or not? Several of the first responders said that was, and then a specialist in large cents, who knows the late dates by die variety, responded that the piece was a counterfeit. He cited the reasons why, some of which were very technical die variety details, plus the fact that the reverse lettering was the wrong style for an 1843 cent.

 

The discussion then moved to comments about how dangerous these counterfeits of common date, circulated coins are because they can easily fool many collectors. Finally there was a link to the NGC site to an article that discussed, in part, about how the reverse on this piece has also been used on two other counterfeit large cents. The marker is the ridge at the bottom of the reverse.

 

Since I am maintaining a virtual collection of counterfeits, I decided to up load the photos of this piece to my file. When I tried to do so the next day, the entire list of postings was gone! I looked again this morning with the search function, and sure enough it no longer exists on the PCGS site. Thank goodness I had not closed the page on my iPad, and I took the pictures of it that you see here.

 

The thread is now back!

I swear I looked and looked for it ... yesterday and today.

[MarkFeld]

Bill, if that's what happened, I agree with your sentiments. But, as a caution to you, I have seen instances in which someone posts something about PCGS on this site and ends up getting banned over there, as a result.

[BillJones]

Bill, if that's what happened, I agree with your sentiments. But, as a caution to you, I have seen instances in which someone posts something about PCGS on this site and ends up getting banned over there, as a result.

 

If they ban me for this, I will go down with honor.

 

Lyndon B. Johnson once had a comment about why he didn't fire J. Edger Hoover, the well entrenched and controversial director of the FBI. Since Johnson was known to use salty language, I'll see if I can get by the censor here. Johnson's "adjusted quote was:

 

"It's better to have him in the tent urinating out than having him outside the tent urinating in."

 

[mommam17]

Yes, that's what I thought Mark. Good info Bill, but I think you will get banned.......

[PaulS.]

Here on our boards, we rarely take anything down because we feel that an open discussion is very valuable. Here's that article in case anyone wants to take a look!

 

 

 

-Paul

[BillJones]

PCGS should be thinking about the amount of damage the counterfeit problem is doing to the entire hobby. Even they have been fooled by one these copper counterfeits that they certified.

 

If they were truly looking out for their own interests, they would welcome anyone, including their grading competitors, who is working to combat the counterfeit plague. If the hobby is badly damaged by the flood of counterfeits, they will be damaged also.

 

[Mr.Mcknowitall]

Bill, if that's what happened, I agree with your sentiments. But, as a caution to you, I have seen instances in which someone posts something about PCGS on this site and ends up getting banned over there, as a result.

 

Good Morning , Mark. He is correct as to the event.

 

As to your second sentence, what is the point, that censorship trumps knowledge availability for all? If the entity wants to ban someone, it is their Right to do so. It is equally the Right of persons, banned or not, to protest fear mongering. I am doing so.

 

You and I are already banned. Big deal. You and I can still read all the posts, and if we want to converse with a person about their post across the street, there are many ways, such as the screen shot Mr. Jones saved showing a member name.

 

Banning, schmanning. There are other coin sites. The fact is, the entity needs collectors. If the entity continues to do things like this, and bans people or censors people because of their opinions on a competitor site, the entity harms itself.

 

The entity needs a dose of Imus in the Morning.....and some Charmin and cleansing wipes and diapers.

[MJ]

The thread is still alive and well. Next

 

mark

[Mr.Mcknowitall]

The thread is still alive and well. Next

 

mark

 

The thread was in fact gone. That it is back, sans a couple of posts that were there, is a question. Note that the OP edited, however I am not sure what was edited. I do know that the entity has done this before, scrubbed, and reloaded.

[MJ]

The thread is still alive and well. Next

 

mark

 

The thread was in fact gone. That it is back, sans a couple of posts that were there, is a question. Note that the OP edited, however I am not sure what was edited. I do know that the entity has done this before, scrubbed, and reloaded.

 

No idea but the NGC link is still intact. So......

 

mark

 

 

[Mr.Mcknowitall]

The thread is still alive and well. Next

 

mark

 

The thread was in fact gone. That it is back, sans a couple of posts that were there, is a question. Note that the OP edited, however I am not sure what was edited. I do know that the entity has done this before, scrubbed, and reloaded.

 

No idea but the NGC link is still intact. So......

 

mark

 

 

Me to.....

 

[MarkFeld]

Bill, if that's what happened, I agree with your sentiments. But, as a caution to you, I have seen instances in which someone posts something about PCGS on this site and ends up getting banned over there, as a result.

 

Good Morning , Mark. He is correct as to the event.

 

As to your second sentence, what is the point, that censorship trumps knowledge availability for all? If the entity wants to ban someone, it is their Right to do so. It is equally the Right of persons, banned or not, to protest fear mongering. I am doing so.

 

You and I are already banned. Big deal. You and I can still read all the posts, and if we want to converse with a person about their post across the street, there are many ways, such as the screen shot Mr. Jones saved showing a member name.

 

Banning, schmanning. There are other coin sites. The fact is, the entity needs collectors. If the entity continues to do things like this, and bans people or censors people because of their opinions on a competitor site, the entity harms itself.

 

The entity needs a dose of Imus in the Morning.....and some Charmin and cleansing wipes and diapers.

 

John, I believe that unfortunately, censorship does trump information/knowledge there sometimes.

[mommam17]

The word "Ridiculous", I saw as a problem for PCGS.

[Mr.Mcknowitall]

[dragon]

Bill, if that's what happened, I agree with your sentiments. But, as a caution to you, I have seen instances in which someone posts something about PCGS on this site and ends up getting banned over there, as a result.

 

 

 

Seriously?? That's really pathetic IMO.

[MarkFeld]

Bill, if that's what happened, I agree with your sentiments. But, as a caution to you, I have seen instances in which someone posts something about PCGS on this site and ends up getting banned over there, as a result.

 

 

 

Seriously?? That's really pathetic IMO.

 

Yes.

[MarkVIIIMarc]

Ok. I am a newb and need caught up.

 

That seemed like a reasonable and polite initial post. Why should anyone get banned for it?

 

The "trees" forum I belong to over on Gardenweb gets infinately rowdier discussing Callery pears.

[BillJones]

Ok. I am a newb and need caught up.

 

That seemed like a reasonable and polite initial post. Why should anyone get banned for it?

 

The "trees" forum I belong to over on Gardenweb gets infinately rowdier discussing Callery pears.

 

PCGS is ultra sensitive to criticisms of their products or policies. If you follow their actions you learn never to make any comments about certain PCGS products on their site, even if you can back up your comments with the facts. You learn to stay away from certain topics.

 

Over the years PCGS as banned many significant collectors, dealers and numismatic authors from their site. Chief among them is our own RWB who is one of the most important authors and researchers in numismatics.

 

Conversely things are open and honest over here. You have a lot of latitude to express your opinions. Sometimes I wish that this site was more active, but that might not be a good thing. Some of the people who post on the PCGS are sycophants who do nothing but carry the water the powers at be.

[e1cnr]

Ok. I am a newb and need caught up.

 

That seemed like a reasonable and polite initial post. Why should anyone get banned for it?

 

The "trees" forum I belong to over on Gardenweb gets infinately rowdier discussing Callery pears.

 

PCGS is ultra sensitive to criticisms of their products or policies. If you follow their actions you learn never to make any comments about certain PCGS products on their site, even if you can back up your comments with the facts. You learn to stay away from certain topics.

 

Over the years PCGS as banned many significant collectors, dealers and numismatic authors from their site. Chief among them is our own RWB who is one of the most important authors and researchers in numismatics.

 

Conversely things are open and honest over here. You have a lot of latitude to express your opinions. Sometimes I wish that this site was more active, but that might not be a good thing. Some of the people who post on the PCGS are sycophants who do nothing but carry the water the powers at be.

 

Was there a picture of one in a PCGS slab?

[Nutmeg Coin]

There are reasonable and unreasonable forum rules. If they wanted to maintain their oversensitive rules without undermining the hobby, they could delete comments that bothered them or send friendly emails to members asking them to tone down their attitude. Sudden irrevocable bannings with the only remedy for reinstatement being talking to Don Willis at a coin show apologizing profusely with your tail between your legs, giving some reason like late night drinking, etc., is a pretty dumb system.

[Conder101]

But, as a caution to you, I have seen instances in which someone posts something about PCGS on this site and ends up getting banned over there, as a result.

True, that was how I got my second banning.

 

PCGS is ultra sensitive to criticisms of their products or policies. If you follow their actions you learn never to make any comments about certain PCGS products on their site, even if you can back up your comments with the facts.

I got my first banning right after they posted a set of rules for posting, one of which said "You shall not criticize PCGS in any way shape or form." I posted that that was too restrictive and that because of that rule, and my views on all TPG's, I would surely run afoul of it (after all disagreeing with an assigned grade could be viewed as a criticism). In order to keep from being banned I said I would no longed do open posts but would comment via PM's. That was my last open post and within two hours I was banned.

[Nutmeg Coin]

My first involuntary exit from the PCGS forum was due to an anti-government activist going crazy on a topic I had started; frankly I was surprised the guy was not gone, banned, nuked within a few of his incoherent strident posts that broke the rules big time. Since I started the thread I guess it was guilt by association. The second one came after I suggested someone on their board of experts needed a better diet or exercise program, which I later edited out, but it was too late. The style of moderation reminds me of a household where the head exercises excess discipline causing those within his/her orbit to cower in fear, which is usually not a healthy emotion unless warranted.