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1909 Lincoln cent

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BillJones

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PCGS doesn't like the MS70 look anymore and won't usually give it a straight grade.

 

What are you basing the PCGS and MS70 comments on?

 

The color. There was a time when bright blue was considered to be an acceptable shade for a Mint State "brown" cent, but then it was found that the color was the result of treatment with MS-70. Therefore the coin is now considered to be "doctored" (maybe the wrong word) and therefore it cannot receive a grade.

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e1cnr

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PCGS doesn't like the MS70 look anymore and won't usually give it a straight grade.

 

What are you basing the PCGS and MS70 comments on?

 

The color. There was a time when bright blue was considered to be an acceptable shade for a Mint State "brown" cent, but then it was found that the color was the result of treatment with MS-70. Therefore the coin is now considered to be "doctored" (maybe the wrong word) and therefore it cannot receive a grade.

 

MS-70 is a soap, how could that be any worse than dipping a silver coin in acid?

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physics-fan3.14

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Because MS-70 leaves those blue colors. The science and chemistry can be a debate for another post (whether it causes the blue or reveals blue already there) - but the fact remains, the coin has been treated, and now its blue. This look is not considered market acceptable.

 

Dipping, if properly done, not done too often, properly rinsed, and performed conservatively, is considered to be market acceptable. I don't have a big with a properly dipped coin, if it has the right look. I do have a problem with an MS-70'd blue copper coin (and the TPG's seem to agree).

 

These coins used to get into slabs all the time, but the TPGs changed their mind and now they don't, usually.

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coinman_23885

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I understand the controversial effects of MS70 and the debate about the chemistry, but what makes you all believe that PCGS no longer views these pieces as market acceptable? I have seen coins with this type of appearance straight graded in newer holders. Was there a policy announcement that I am unaware of? Is this a new policy?

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brg5658

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tentative grade, awaiting free truview and coins

 

1909 1C Lincoln USA MS64BN

 

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I agree with that grade, and I have no problem with that coin in a problem free market-acceptable holder.

 

As I said, not all blue toning is MS70. And, even if this is, it's market-acceptable now...

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