Gmarguli Ebay Listing Causing Uproar on German Coin Forum!

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Seems they believe NGC grading to be too liberal. The general gist is that many AU58 are more desirable than MS60 coins! Sound familiar???

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Wow. I hope they bid instead of just talk. I have quite a few more of these (different dates) to sell on eBay in the coming months.

 

Using translation software, it appears that they are experts at grading with photos - which one person appears to say is a manipulated photo (not true).

 

And to think, out of all those people one has to speak English, yet not a single person has contacted me about that coin. I've had more questions on the coins from Peru & India than these German ones.

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Figures. Leave it to Marguli to start a another blitzkrieg...

 

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25-10-2004, 12:01 #1

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What committed a crime NGC here?

 

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My Mark was cleanly gegradet, but those here? Are strained on your opinion....

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25-10-2004, 13:52 #2

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Contributions: 698 yours was MS65, this is AU58. Why isn't the piece to be cleanly "classified"?

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25-10-2004, 13:56 #3

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Contributions: 1.239 find I to OK ONE. With OUTER ONE 58 only the highest points with very easy may

Abrasion provided its, Scratches may be present however even to MS66.

MS60 may exhibit still many strong scratches and hair lines.

Only starting from MS67 quasi no hair lines are more permitted.

 

Thus "overgraded" those does not seem to be me, but the complaisance lies

not least in the eye of the viewer.

 

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25-10-2004, 15:06 #4

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The field particularly disturbs me, the eagle and/or. the relief less. It is nevertheless strongly zerkratzt.

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25-10-2004, 15:30 #5

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After all that, which I read in the InterNet so far over the American Grading system, MS-60 would be allowed to do gegradete coins, in Germany hardly still as signs go through.

The scratches have there stop completely different value

However it means also, that AU58 looks better than MS60...

 

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27-10-2004, 10:09 #6

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....and of R I E S E N D E L L E under the Mzz. nobody speaks....?, those is nevertheless many more serious.....

 

 

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27-10-2004, 12:36 #7

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Contributions: 1.141 the thing is maximum after American Grading as VF... thus to classify ss. If one the edge damage times ignores. That is - according to photo - a normal coin from the circulation.

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27-10-2004, 18:42 #8

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How such can a Fehlgrading come? Besoffener coworker? Manipulation?

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27-10-2004, 18:45 #9

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Abrasion provided its, Scratches may be present however even to MS66.

MS60 may do still many strong scratches [...] exhibit.

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That would be however not logical. Ms means stamp gloss, and a EF coin may not even exhibit strong scratches.

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27-10-2004, 20:35 #10

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That would be however not logical. Ms means stamp gloss, and a EF coin may not even exhibit strong scratches.

 

For the logic of the terms one should not ask so much, see "very well receiving" etc..<End of Translation>

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Yes, nauerlich, therefore the discussions also often become the topic as socomplicated.

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28-10-2004, 20:17 #12

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Yes, nauerlich, therefore the discussions also often become the topic as socomplicated.

 

 

 

Does not nail me now please firmly however label looks old, that is not called the coin became from NGC gegraded however after thetoday's standards. It showed up on the American market, that coins came still years ago more easily to better "notes" thantoday. I particularly think coins from the foreign country might as examplehold there good.

 

Is very often it shown here, that, before several years examined coins, during a recent evaluation usually more badly and old "Slabs" withEbay cuts also so high prices off does not obtain, like newer with same "degrees".

 

Which is added is, that it was apparently in-patriated (to hear-say), To evaluate coins also then well, if the majority of the existing coins in bad condition and/or. particularly were not well coined/shaped (z.B.: Peace dollar).

 

In the end, the photo is so modest, that it is not really easy, to evaluate the coin. Even the edge damage is to be judged not really, on the basis this photo I am not even safe whether it am at all there.

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28-10-2004, 21:04 #13

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The thing is maximum after American Grading as VF... thus to classify ss. If one the edge damage times ignores. That is - according to photo - a normal coin from the circulation.

 

 

 

This statement is complete imbecility! Light scratches, like it within the range seem to the wertziffer in particular, nothing special is and results to m with unzirkulierten Hamburgcoinages.E. from to weak embossment. The easy edge damage is more substantial, on the eagle side of the coin close of the mintmark to see are. The shown coin was not anyhow only very short in the circulation andis under any circumstances a "normal coin from the circulation"! Due to the photo I would classify it as vz+.

 

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28-10-2004, 22:24 #14

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Does not nail me now please firmly however label looks old, that is not called the coin became from NGC gegraded however after thetoday's standards. It showed up on the American market, that coins came still years ago more easily to better "notes" thantoday. I particularly think coins from the foreign country might as examplehold there good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other around it behaves with PCGS. Earlier coins are often more schelchter gegradet than newer. An intelligent Maketingschachzug, some collecting tanks coins a further mark already gegradete willreturn surely.

 

By the way I do not see the coin better due to the scratches in thefield than ss+ - sign

 

The label by the way is, as far as I know, up-to-date.

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28-10-2004, 23:06 #15

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By the way I do not see the coin better due to the scratches inthe field than ss+ - sign

 

The label by the way is, as far as I know, up-to-date.

 

 

 

Then however OUTER ONE goes already into order, about the 58 one could argue. Nevertheless the picture is not to be evaluated in addition beensuitable a coin or their damages clearlyrecognize.

 

Whether the label is current cannot I not with certainty say, the Dinger sees itself rather similar...

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29-10-2004, 07:27 #16

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This statement is complete imbecility!

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the politeness!

 

Since we all judge on the basis of a bad photo, actually each Posting is here "imbecility".

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Let me know if you or anyone would like the rest......there's much more ... what you see is about 3/4ths of the 1st page.

 

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[jom]

No wonder Germans always seem confused. Those translaters would confuse anyone.

 

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Let me know if you or anyone would like the rest......there's much more ... what you see is about 3/4ths of the 1st page.

 

Leo

 

I get the jist of what they were saying. I would be interested in seeing any replies to Greg's comments.

 

-JamminJ

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Let me know if you or anyone would like the rest......there's much more ... what you see is about 3/4ths of the 1st page.

 

Leo

 

I get the jist of what they were saying. I would be interested in seeing any replies to Greg's comments.

 

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Here's the translater link page ..........knock yourself out!

 

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