Educational Thread - Post a picture of a "problem" coin.

[therealanaconda-migration]

Fingerprints, spots, poor strikes, streaky toning, hits on the face or other sensitive places.....these things will grow in your mind the longer you own a problem coin; eventually the first thing and sometimes almost all you will see when you look at a problem coin....is the problem.

 

(If you post an image, don't identify the owner or seller and if you recognize a coin, just keep silent about the owner or seller. Be helpful but be kind.)

[KeyMan64]

It will be visiting PCGS for their restoration service soon. It looks like it was dipped in something and never rinsed? I know I could fix most of it but I am not sure about the 2 SPOTS. MS70 via q-tips would take care of MOST of the entire coin really easy and make the coin beautiful as it would allow the luster to show in all of its glory but the 2 black spots may not come out completely. As long as most of it can be fixed and further problems can be prevented then I am fine with that. Since this is a rare coin and because of the 2 evil spots I will let them handle it. If they can fix most of the issues, I do not see why this wouldn't re-grade at the MS66FB level...another reason for me to send it to them.

 

I have many low grade problem coins but I do not tend to photograph them but maybe I will. The only reason I have them is because I Cherrypicked them and they are rare varieties as well. Cool thread idea.

[brg5658]

It will be visiting PCGS for their restoration service soon. It looks like it was dipped in something and never rinsed? I know I could fix most of it but I am not sure about the 2 SPOTS. MS70 via q-tips would take care of MOST of the entire coin really easy and make the coin beautiful as it would allow the luster to show in all of its glory but the 2 black spots may not come out completely. As long as most of it can be fixed and further problems can be prevented then I am fine with that. Since this is a rare coin and because of the 2 evil spots I will let them handle it. If they can fix most of the issues, I do not see why this wouldn't re-grade at the MS66FB level...another reason for me to send it to them.

 

I have many low grade problem coins but I do not tend to photograph them but maybe I will. The only reason I have them is because I Cherrypicked them and they are rare varieties as well. Cool thread idea.

 

I think the coin is quite lovely, though it appears to have a bridged area of the bands, and IMO should not be in a "FB" holder.

 

 

[KeyMan64]

It will be visiting PCGS for their restoration service soon. It looks like it was dipped in something and never rinsed? I know I could fix most of it but I am not sure about the 2 SPOTS. MS70 via q-tips would take care of MOST of the entire coin really easy and make the coin beautiful as it would allow the luster to show in all of its glory but the 2 black spots may not come out completely. As long as most of it can be fixed and further problems can be prevented then I am fine with that. Since this is a rare coin and because of the 2 evil spots I will let them handle it. If they can fix most of the issues, I do not see why this wouldn't re-grade at the MS66FB level...another reason for me to send it to them.

 

I have many low grade problem coins but I do not tend to photograph them but maybe I will. The only reason I have them is because I Cherrypicked them and they are rare varieties as well. Cool thread idea.

 

I think the coin is quite lovely, though it appears to have a bridged area of the bands, and IMO should not be in a "FB" holder.

 

I see what you see. Another reason I will send it to PCGS to deal with. I do not plan on losing money on a rare coin. If they decide to take the FB away from me they will owe me some money. Thankfully I have located a new TOP POP for the variety that is struck much much better. It is in a PCGS MS66FB holder currently and needs attribution. Either way...I still have the Top Pop.

[yonico]

 

For educational purposes only

 

[johnny9434]

For educational purposes only

 

i love it

[BillJones]

My apologies to whoever owns this piece now because I saw it offered at auction a year or so ago. I traded it a couple of years ago against the purchase price of at better piece. This 1796 half dime was dipped and improperly rinsed. As a result it ended up with this "leopard spot" toning. Although I don't know what it looked like before it was dipped, I would guess that it was a typical old coin with some run of the mill toning for a circulated piece.

 

PCGS did grade this, and they called it Fine-15. They net graded it IMO because I would set the sharpness grade at VF-30 or so with a 10 to 15 point reduction for the spotty color.

 

 

This 1796 half dime got a body bag from NGC. I knew the coin was not original when I bought it, but almost nothing that is this age is original. Someone has dipped or cleaned almost all of these coins at one time or anotther. I just surprised me that this one had been taken "too far." I've seen early coins in holders that had more than this wrong with them. Neverthless this flunked at NGC.

 

 

This 1796 half dime (I've never had good luck with this date.) got a body bag because of the bite marks on the obverse and reverse. The one on the reverse is more noticeable. Once more I've seen half dimes with much bigger sins than this which got grades. I was hoping this one would get a Fine-12. I later sold this coin raw at a fair Fine-12 price to a dealer who was happy to get it. These coins do not grow on trees. They are quite scarce in any condition.

 

 

[Raisethis2]

Bottom pic is the coin back in a 2 X 2 where it belongs. This great looking toning went to waste because someone improperly cleaned the reverse. It was returned in a details holder.

 

Dayum.....

 

 

 

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[Kurtdog]

It will be visiting PCGS for their restoration service soon.

I didn't know they had a restoration service. I guess it's not coin doctoring when they do it.

[Mozin]

At one time this was a nice 1810 O-110.

 

 

 

 

[KeyMan64]

Mozin, you are correct, that coin has problems!

[Coindude]

Mozin that must be a yankee coin. if it were a southern model it would have said "Howdy"

[ldhair]

[Raybo55]

Thanks a lot for this topic!

 

 

I'm going to send'er ATS just , just, just because!

[Kurtdog]

Ray, keep us abreast of the developments.

[Buffalo Head]

For educational purposes only

 

 

VERY, VERY GOOD!!!!

[yonico]

Mozin that must be a yankee coin. if it were a southern model it would have said "Howdy"

[BruceS]

Question for you Morgan guys.

 

VAM 2? Would it numerical grade with the rim ding ( next to N in unum). If not Cleaned? I think it's my next pocket piece. Thanks,

 

 

 

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[physics-fan3.14]

Bruce, I don't know anything about VAMs so I can't help with that. But it has definitely been harshly cleaned. The rim ding is also pretty severe; I think one that bad would result in a details grade.

[Keigwin]

[coinman1794]

This 1960-D Franklin was sent to me by someone believing it to be a problem free MS64FBL or better coin. At a glance it looks nice, but at the right angle, the counting wheel damage shows very clearly. A large patch of fine hairlines scrapes across the bell at a 45 degree angle, and these patches are often surrounded by greasy residue and discoloration. Many people do not look for this type of damage, but it is very common on silver coinage between the 1930s and 1960s. The graders will often label this damage as cleaning, if they do not see the grease residue around the hairlines. Either way, it will result in a no-grade, virtually every time.

 

 

[Nutmeg Coin]

This formerly ugly looking coin was conserved by NCS and ended up gradeing XF45 at NGC. Never say never.

 

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[Kurtdog]

The graders will often label this damage as cleaning, if they do not see the grease residue around the hairlines. Either way, it will result in a no-grade, virtually every time.

Who cares how they label it? You see the effect on the coin's surface. Learn to use your own eyes. That surface has a problem. That's all that means anything to a coin collector. Weigh the significance of that problem with your own mind. You're collecting slabs, that's different, you use their eyes, and their mind. It's not complicated.

 

On the swipe, itself, and the spotting, I don't care if you have to turn the coin inside-out to see that, it's distracting. I don't care if it got there through cleaning, conserving, restoring, or what you will. I don't care if a counting or rolling machine did it. I don't care if a coin doctor did it. All I care about is, it's there. It doesn't belong. And, it's distracting. MS63, for my money, provided that heads side isn't ball-busters.

[Gunny]

Bought this one from a catalog listing of a large company. Reverse looks like it was used for a shotgun target.

 

 

[AcesKings]

I bought this one a little over a month ago. It has obvious thumbing marks around all the dark spots on both sides and hairlines in the fields. It also showed some type of slime or grease on the entire surfaces (PVC?). After reading a few posts on here about using acetone to clean the surfaces, I decided to try it.......

 

Before acetone.....

 

 

After.....