1922 peace dollar .. GTG? NEW PICS POSTED IN LAST COMMENT!

[yonico]

1922 peace dollar with just a hint of toning on the obverse. What would you say PCGS called it? And do you like the coin? I do, Not sure about the green on the crown and the top of the eagle's head though. I'd have to see it in hand..

 

Seller's pics:

 

 

 

 

[Coindude]

Either 58 or 64. Depends if that's rub on the cheek and eagles wing.

[coinman_23885]

62, shot 63. It would be a very low end 63 if it makes it this high.

[physics-fan3.14]

62, shot 63. It would be a very low end 63 if it makes it this high.

 

This.

[MarkFeld]

63 shot 64.

[BillJones]

I'd grade it MS-63. I'm kind of neutral on the appearance. It's not the worst, but it's not what I would seek out for my collection.

[johnny9434]

ms 63 arena

[brg5658]

Impossible to tell from those overexposed (blown out) pictures.

 

Can't tell for sure, but there appears (in those images) to be a pretty nasty rim gouge/hit around the "E" of STATES on the reverse. If that just an image anomaly of some sort??

[yonico]

Don't know yet. I have not seen it yet in hand

[copper toning]

Impossible to tell from those overexposed (blown out) pictures.

 

Can't tell for sure, but there appears (in those images) to be a pretty nasty rim gouge/hit around the "E" of STATES on the reverse. If that just an image anomaly of some sort??

 

That drew my eye immediately. I would damaged if it is not just the pic.

[jerseycat10]

63

[yonico]

Now looking at the coin in hand, that hit on the reverse is definitely on the coin, but its really not as bad as the pic suggest.

The coin has LOTS of luster and the little color that's on the obverse is much brighter and vibrant, not mottled and "dirty" like the pics show.

Most important, the green spots on the eagle's head and legs, in ms. Liberty mouth, in the crown - are only in the pics and are nowhere to be seen on the coin.

 

PCGS graded MS64+. You can't tell from seller's pics.

 

Bought on eBay for $82. Not sure why I even placed the bid on this coin, I don't collect peace dollars, but I'm very happy with this purchase.

 

Thanks for your thoughts and guesses. When I get a better pic of the coin I will follow this threa up

[coinman_23885]

Given that the consensus was approximately MS63 or so, I think coin was bumped up for the color. As such, the toning must be superb for it to have received a grade of MS64+ (or so I am guessing). Do you have any new pictures of the coin? How does it look in hand?

[jerseycat10]

This further reinforces the notion that PCGS gives the '+' designation to Peace Dollars with attractive toning.

[MarkFeld]

This further reinforces the notion that PCGS gives the '+' designation to Peace Dollars with attractive toning.

 

It doesn't reinforce that notion to me. All it tells me is that the coin looks better, technically, in hand than it does in the image. And/or that grading is somewhat subjective.

[jerseycat10]

This further reinforces the notion that PCGS gives the '+' designation to Peace Dollars with attractive toning.

 

It doesn't reinforce that notion to me. All it tells me is that the coin looks better, technically, in hand than it does in the image. And/or that grading is somewhat subjective.

 

I should've qualified that to say 'reinforces the notion to me'.

 

I have seen more widget Peace Dollars with PCGS + grades with rainbow color than I have without color.

[yonico]

 

 

 

[MarkFeld]

The new image confirms my earlier thought that the coin probably looked better than how it was portrayed in the first set of images. Based on the new image, I would have guessed MS65 or 65+, even with the hit on the eagle's tail.

[Coinbuf]

Big difference in the new pics for sure but the rev kills it for me and I would not grade it better than a 63 myself. This imo(thats for you Mark) is market graded up for the color as another poster mentioned

[MarkFeld]

Big difference in the new pics for sure but the rev kills it for me and I would not grade it better than a 63 myself. This imo(thats for you Mark) is market graded up for the color as another poster mentioned

 

Based on the new images, I'd grade the coin 65, even if it had no color. I don't understand your MS63 assessment.

[Kurtdog]

It's too spotty. The first pictures show it better. You can't really second guess a market grade, anyway, especially when it's got color. How pretty is it? Duh. It's pretty enough for a third grader to call it just under gem. I mean, a third party grader.

[yonico]

thanks guys

 

like i said, the first set of images was the seller's. and i'm no good with the camera.

 

finally got around to sending this coin to be imaged, and these pics display the color and luster as close to the in-hand looks of it as possible.

 

i think the 64+ grade is solid. i don't look at the coin as overgraded. like it where it is.

[Coinbuf]

Big difference in the new pics for sure but the rev kills it for me and I would not grade it better than a 63 myself. This imo(thats for you Mark) is market graded up for the color as another poster mentioned

 

Based on the new images, I'd grade the coin 65, even if it had no color. I don't understand your MS63 assessment.

 

No need for you to understand, you and I see it differently thats all.

[yonico]

Big difference in the new pics for sure but the rev kills it for me and I would not grade it better than a 63 myself. This imo(thats for you Mark) is market graded up for the color as another poster mentioned

 

I know it's my coin and I might not be very subjective, but I find it hard to believe PCGS bumped up the grade by 1.5 points for the color. The color is nice, but it's not a monster toner or THAT spectacular. I don't think it played a big role, if any, in the grade assigned.

 

I can see how nice color would bump a grade from 63+ to 64, or maybe even from 63 to 64.. But from 63 to 64+? That seems unlikely.. Just saying.

 

I got a good deal on it so I'm happy with the purchase anyways.

 

Thanks for all the guesses

 

[wheat'swheats]

Nobody has even mentioned the grand canyon dug into the rim just above the eagle's head that would absolutely kill it for me

[$ilverHawk]

Nobody has even mentioned the grand canyon dug into the rim just above the eagle's head that would absolutely kill it for me

 

brg5658 mentioned that rim gouge in a previous post. I'm with you on this point. I've seen coins BB'd for rim hits like this. Perhaps the TPG has reasons to believe that the rim gouge is from a broken die edge?

 

Without the Reverse rim gouge, I could see 63 maybe 64, but 64+. IMHO over graded.

 

Carl

[copper toning]

Nobody has even mentioned the grand canyon dug into the rim just above the eagle's head that would absolutely kill it for me

 

As struck

 

edited to add I am just kidding

[Kurtdog]

Big difference in the new pics for sure but the rev kills it for me and I would not grade it better than a 63 myself. This imo (thats for you Mark) is market graded up for the color as another poster mentioned

I know it's my coin and I might not be very subjective, but I find it hard to believe PCGS bumped up the grade by 1.5 points for the color. The color is nice, but it's not a monster toner or THAT spectacular. I don't think it played a big role, if any, in the grade assigned.

 

I can see how nice color would bump a grade from 63+ to 64, or maybe even from 63 to 64.. But from 63 to 64+? That seems unlikely.. Just saying.

 

I got a good deal on it so I'm happy with the purchase anyways.

 

Thanks for all the guesses

Well, we are grading pictures, while you're grading the coin. So, so much for that.

 

The issue aside, I wouldn't let it get out of that slab. ATS, they're believers in those slabs.

[jerseycat10]

Nobody has even mentioned the grand canyon dug into the rim just above the eagle's head that would absolutely kill it for me

 

As struck

 

edited to add I am just kidding

 

It probably is as-struck. Looks like a classic planchet defect.

[$ilverHawk]

Nobody has even mentioned the grand canyon dug into the rim just above the eagle's head that would absolutely kill it for me

 

As struck

 

edited to add I am just kidding

 

It probably is as-struck. Looks like a classic planchet defect.

 

Interesting, please explain why you believe the reverse rim gap is a plancet defect. I see Obverse die breaks on the lower neck and through the date, but I don't see any evidence of a defective plancet. What am I missing?

 

Carl