Braddick's Black Beauty thread ATS

[mumu]

Since im no longer a member there I thought I'd bring it here. That jet black true color black toning some coins get is super cool IMO. I dont like the crunchy dirty black splotches a lot of coins get but true black toning with that metallic look to it is really cool. Here is a newp I bought that has some.

 

 

[zboyle04]

i dont see how it is questionable, looks natural, just not what you normally see. i like it though

[mumu]

i dont see how it is questionable, looks natural, just not what you normally see. i like it though

 

Yes and the coin looked natty to me as well which is why I bought it. The holder label of questionable color kept her under 50$

[jerseycat10]

She's pretty, AT or not.

 

I have a similar one gennied by NGC. Ill post it soon.

[mkman123]

looks alright to me

[mumu]

I think that toning might come from some kind of leather pouch or something.

[ldhair]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

[johnny9434]

well, its different

[mumu]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Post a black beauty!

[Kurtdog]

i dont see how it is questionable, looks natural, just not what you normally see. i like it though

Yes and the coin looked natty to me as well which is why I bought it. The holder label of questionable color kept her under 50$

Mumu, there's nothing "un-natty" about that tarnish. All tarnish is...drumroll..."natty." Just decide if you like it or not. It's not complicated.

[lehigh96]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

[mumu]

i dont see how it is questionable, looks natural, just not what you normally see. i like it though

Yes and the coin looked natty to me as well which is why I bought it. The holder label of questionable color kept her under 50$

Mumu, there's nothing "un-natty" about that tarnish. All tarnish is...drumroll..."natty." Just decide if you like it or not. It's not complicated.

 

Well I paid money for it and then showed it off so I think ive already decided . Its PCGS that doesnt like it, not me.

[mumu]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

[lehigh96]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

I see that you are comparing a scanned circulated coin against a photographed mint state coin. It really doesn't matter that one of those is better than the other, neither meet my standards for a coin that I would include in my collection. Why? Because both have terminal state toning. And it isn't because of the color, it is because the luster is always partially muted and is usually severely muted. To me, eye appeal comes from the presence of both color and luster. But none of my collecting preferences should stop you from buying and collecting what you like.

 

 

[jerseycat10]

 

I for one, love that type of terminal state toning, and would welcome such a coin into my collection, but I also agree with Lehigh96, to each his own. His opinion, nor mine, should have no effect on each individual collector.

[jerseycat10]

Two more black beauties coming up on Teletrade soon:

 

http://teletrade.com/coins/search.asp?issubmit=1&nodefault=1&wantsid=0&searchid=0&aucrange=all&begauction=3323&endauction=&backto=0&s_ispaper=0&s_isnonusa=0&s_yearmin=1922&s_yearmax=1922&s_mint=D&s_overdate=&s_grademin=63+%28UNC%2FMS%29&s_grademax=63+%28UNC%2FMS%29&s_proof=Either&s_ispcgs=1&s_anacshold=All&s_onlytoned=&s_keywords=&button=Search&s_d15=1

[jom]

Shane had a nice Morgan whose reverse had about 1/2 of the reverse in that "terminal" state similar to Mumu's just above. The rest of the rev and obv were terrific though. It sold for less than $200 and was PCGS 63. I hesitated because of the rev however...that's just me.

 

I agree with PCGS evaluation of the OP Peace dollar but agreeing with the TPGs isn't necessary. If you like the coin (including what you paid for it) then go for it!

 

jom

[mumu]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

I see that you are comparing a scanned circulated coin against a photographed mint state coin. It really doesn't matter that one of those is better than the other, neither meet my standards for a coin that I would include in my collection. Why? Because both have terminal state toning. And it isn't because of the color, it is because the luster is always partially muted and is usually severely muted. To me, eye appeal comes from the presence of both color and luster. But none of my collecting preferences should stop you from buying and collecting what you like.

 

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to decipher the coin whether scanned or photographed. I was comparing coins not images. I think many people are able to make a comparison to based on what theyve seen in person with a reference from a picture whether scanned or otherwise. I know exactly what each of those coins look like in hand or thereabouts. And I dont think they are anywhere near each other. But you can blanket them both with the statement that they are "toned black" and be correct, and that is the point I was hoping youd extract, not argue with me that the images are different mediums.

[lehigh96]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

 

I see that you are comparing a scanned circulated coin against a photographed mint state coin. It really doesn't matter that one of those is better than the other, neither meet my standards for a coin that I would include in my collection. Why? Because both have terminal state toning. And it isn't because of the color, it is because the luster is always partially muted and is usually severely muted. To me, eye appeal comes from the presence of both color and luster. But none of my collecting preferences should stop you from buying and collecting what you like.

 

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to decipher the coin whether scanned or photographed. I was comparing coins not images. I think many people are able to make a comparison to based on what theyve seen in person with a reference from a picture whether scanned or otherwise. I know exactly what each of those coins look like in hand or thereabouts. And I dont think they are anywhere near each other. But you can blanket them both with the statement that they are "toned black" and be correct, and that is the point I was hoping youd extract, not argue with me that the images are different mediums.

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to understand that scans portray coins very badly compared to photos. I can't compare the coins because I haven't seen either one. All I have to compare is the images/scans. And I am not about to evaluate the luster of a terminal toning state Morgan Dollar based on images. If you think you can do that, more power to ya.

 

Furthermore, take away the little swatch of rainbow color at 12 & 6 on the reverse of the second Morgan and I think they are probably much closer in appearance in hand than you want to admit.

 

BTW, I think you should check out this forum.

 

The Argument Clinic

 

It seems that is your real interest in life.

[Coindude]

Probably my most interesting toner. This one is purple on the obverse with some very nice green at about 11 o'clock on the obverse, the reverse has a myriad of color. Brown, red, orange, blue, green... and just about anything else you can describe. I personally love it. My wife even like it because she loves purple! I can't tell you how many 60's proof sets I've purchased because the nickel was purple!

 

[mumu]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

 

I see that you are comparing a scanned circulated coin against a photographed mint state coin. It really doesn't matter that one of those is better than the other, neither meet my standards for a coin that I would include in my collection. Why? Because both have terminal state toning. And it isn't because of the color, it is because the luster is always partially muted and is usually severely muted. To me, eye appeal comes from the presence of both color and luster. But none of my collecting preferences should stop you from buying and collecting what you like.

 

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to decipher the coin whether scanned or photographed. I was comparing coins not images. I think many people are able to make a comparison to based on what theyve seen in person with a reference from a picture whether scanned or otherwise. I know exactly what each of those coins look like in hand or thereabouts. And I dont think they are anywhere near each other. But you can blanket them both with the statement that they are "toned black" and be correct, and that is the point I was hoping youd extract, not argue with me that the images are different mediums.

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to understand that scans portray coins very badly compared to photos. I can't compare the coins because I haven't seen either one. All I have to compare is the images/scans. And I am not about to evaluate the luster of a terminal toning state Morgan Dollar based on images. If you think you can do that, more power to ya.

 

Furthermore, take away the little swatch of rainbow color at 12 & 6 on the reverse of the second Morgan and I think they are probably much closer in appearance in hand than you want to admit.

 

BTW, I think you should check out this forum.

 

The Argument Clinic

 

It seems that is your real interest in life.

 

Why is it that if you question my taste its ok but if I question yours I am argumentive? Take a snarky tone with me and expect one back, all day long.

[Kenneth F]

Here are 2 of my black toned Morgans

 

[TomB]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

I think this reverse toned Morgan looks stunning!

[Kurtdog]

i dont see how it is questionable, looks natural, just not what you normally see. i like it though

Yes and the coin looked natty to me as well which is why I bought it. The holder label of questionable color kept her under 50$

Mumu, there's nothing "un-natty" about that tarnish. All tarnish is...drumroll..."natty." Just decide if you like it or not. It's not complicated.

Well I paid money for it and then showed it off so I think ive already decided . Its PCGS that doesnt like it, not me.

Just checking.

[lehigh96]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

 

I see that you are comparing a scanned circulated coin against a photographed mint state coin. It really doesn't matter that one of those is better than the other, neither meet my standards for a coin that I would include in my collection. Why? Because both have terminal state toning. And it isn't because of the color, it is because the luster is always partially muted and is usually severely muted. To me, eye appeal comes from the presence of both color and luster. But none of my collecting preferences should stop you from buying and collecting what you like.

 

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to decipher the coin whether scanned or photographed. I was comparing coins not images. I think many people are able to make a comparison to based on what theyve seen in person with a reference from a picture whether scanned or otherwise. I know exactly what each of those coins look like in hand or thereabouts. And I dont think they are anywhere near each other. But you can blanket them both with the statement that they are "toned black" and be correct, and that is the point I was hoping youd extract, not argue with me that the images are different mediums.

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to understand that scans portray coins very badly compared to photos. I can't compare the coins because I haven't seen either one. All I have to compare is the images/scans. And I am not about to evaluate the luster of a terminal toning state Morgan Dollar based on images. If you think you can do that, more power to ya.

 

Furthermore, take away the little swatch of rainbow color at 12 & 6 on the reverse of the second Morgan and I think they are probably much closer in appearance in hand than you want to admit.

 

BTW, I think you should check out this forum.

 

The Argument Clinic

 

It seems that is your real interest in life.

 

Why is it that if you question my taste its ok but if I question yours I am argumentive? Take a snarky tone with me and expect one back, all day long.

 

I never questioned your taste, and you were rude first. You are an argumentative blowhard, plain and simple. It got you banned from the PCGS forum and it will lead to your demise here as well.

[mumu]

I like the coins posted here and in Braddick's thread but none of the images are what I think of when someone says black beauty.

 

Yeah, I hear black beauty and think of late 50's Jefferson Nickels. I am not a big fan of terminal state toning either.

 

I realize black is considered terminal and we wont all like the same things but to me terminal is something like this.

 

 

You cant tell me you dont see a difference with something like this:

 

 

 

I see that you are comparing a scanned circulated coin against a photographed mint state coin. It really doesn't matter that one of those is better than the other, neither meet my standards for a coin that I would include in my collection. Why? Because both have terminal state toning. And it isn't because of the color, it is because the luster is always partially muted and is usually severely muted. To me, eye appeal comes from the presence of both color and luster. But none of my collecting preferences should stop you from buying and collecting what you like.

 

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to decipher the coin whether scanned or photographed. I was comparing coins not images. I think many people are able to make a comparison to based on what theyve seen in person with a reference from a picture whether scanned or otherwise. I know exactly what each of those coins look like in hand or thereabouts. And I dont think they are anywhere near each other. But you can blanket them both with the statement that they are "toned black" and be correct, and that is the point I was hoping youd extract, not argue with me that the images are different mediums.

 

I'm sorry, I assumed you were seasoned enough to understand that scans portray coins very badly compared to photos. I can't compare the coins because I haven't seen either one. All I have to compare is the images/scans. And I am not about to evaluate the luster of a terminal toning state Morgan Dollar based on images. If you think you can do that, more power to ya.

 

Furthermore, take away the little swatch of rainbow color at 12 & 6 on the reverse of the second Morgan and I think they are probably much closer in appearance in hand than you want to admit.

 

BTW, I think you should check out this forum.

 

The Argument Clinic

 

It seems that is your real interest in life.

 

Why is it that if you question my taste its ok but if I question yours I am argumentive? Take a snarky tone with me and expect one back, all day long.

 

I never questioned your taste, and you were rude first. You are an argumentative blowhard, plain and simple. It got you banned from the PCGS forum and it will lead to your demise here as well.

 

Maybe no one would accuse YOU of being rude, but you were certainly snarky after I posted the 2 comparison pics of black coins.Certainly would rub someone the wrong way after the last stuff you pulled on me, but whatever.

 

My banning on ats had more to do with Willis being a senile insufficiently_thoughtful_person than anything I did.

[braddick]

I'm a little late to the party, but here's my contribution. The blackest, darkest (yet strangely, lustrous!) Peace dollar I've seen, let alone own:

 

(Shot using my iPhone4. Sorry about the reflection in the slab.)

[braddick]

Oh!

 

And this Franklin is a decent example of a Black Beauty:

[lehigh96]

 

Maybe no one would accuse YOU of being rude, but you were certainly snarky after I posted the 2 comparison pics of black coins.Certainly would rub someone the wrong way after the last stuff you pulled on me, but whatever.

 

My banning on ats had more to do with Willis being a senile insufficiently_thoughtful_person than anything I did.

 

I did nothing to you and explained it very clearly in a previous PM. Your second banning ATS had nothing to do with me. When I made that post I had no idea that you had been previously banned ATS.

[braddick]

Just wanted to add an oldie, but a goodie from my collection:

The blackest Bust I own!