Large cent grade.

[grip]

I'm not the best at grading this type,so i need some help.

[MarkFeld]

Do you have a lighter and/or larger image, by chance?

 

Based on what I can see, I'll guess XF45.

[BillJones]

The picture is a bit dark, but I would say EF-45 also. The variety is Sheldon - 4, the Periods variety. The coin is very nice with what appears to great sufaces and color.

[grip]

Only image i have Mark.It was from a web site that i copied it from.The coin sold as i was inquiring to buy it,and don't remember the grade.

[TomB]

That coin looks exceptionally choice.

[James_OldeTowne]

I would have guessed VF-25, and agree with S-4.

 

Take that with a grain of salt, as I am usually way on the conservative side compared to typical commercial grades.

[AnkurJ]

VF20

I know the grade because I know the coin.

[AnkurJ]

I missed it also unfortunately. PCGS board member Rays purchased it.

[Keigwin]

Oh wow...that is splendid! Congrats to the lucky owner.

Lance.

[MarkFeld]

VF20

I know the grade because I know the coin.

 

Ankur, do you know of any problems with it which are not apparent in the images? It sure looks better than a VF20, from what I can see.

[AnkurJ]

Well the variety is an S3 (Periods) which was the last of the die pairs and came very well struck. Looking at the hair detail, VF seems right, though 20 may have been a bit harsh. Other than a few small rim dings, I didnt know of any other issues.

 

Harry Laibstain had it. I was second in line. Needless to say I was a minute late...and a penny short

[Keigwin]

I'm not the best at grading this type,so i need some help.

What did PCGS say?

Lance.

[AnkurJ]

VF20BN

[jesbroken]

I believe that coin would qualify for at least 2 or 3 resubmissions for an upgrade. Then that's JMO.

Jim

[AnkurJ]

I doubt the graders would forget a coin like that. And it's in a new holder.

[MarkFeld]

I doubt the graders would forget a coin like that. And it's in a new holder.

I have seen many seemingly unforgettable coins upgrade. Some of them within a period of months, not years.

 

Still, the seller is a very sharp dealer, and likely would not have sold the coin, had he thought chances of an upgrade were decent or better.

[jesbroken]

All I'm saying is that the reward is so substantial, I would gamble the cost of S/H and Insurance 2 to 3 times for that coin. I might lose, but then it could pay off great dividends. JMO

Jim

[johnny9434]

i have to agree with mr feld and others that that is a good canidate for an upgratde. jmo

[Catbert]

The dark picture must be hiding some kind of flaw that drove the assigned grade, IMHO.

[grip]

The coin did not have a sticker(CAC). I would really like to see that coin in hand.

[James_OldeTowne]

The discussion above reminds me of why for me, some coins simply should not be in slabs. The PCGS grade (if it is indeed VF-20) is actually RIGHT! The problem is that so many other so-called VF coins are overgraded, which in turn makes this correct grade look "conservative" ... which it actually is not.

 

In other words, the slab is unfairly keeping this coin down, while other slabs are unfairly inflating other coins that are in worse shape but graded the same.

 

There are nice UNC S-4s out there. Compare the detail on an UNC, and you will see that there is no way this example is remotely "extremely fine 45". It is much too worn for that to be the case. But VF fits well.

[AnkurJ]

Well said James!!

[benjmurts]

EF

 

try this

 

http://coinauctionshelp.com/flowing_hair_large_cent_grades.html

http://coinauctionshelp.com/liberty_cap_large_cent_grades.html

 

Just looked up the price, wow

[Spooly]

This coin could upgrade.

[L1ncolnF4n]

I like VF-35 to XF-45 range based on those pics, but the color is really dark and may be hiding marks.

[wheat'swheats]

I'm not the best at grading this type,so i need some help.

Nice one Al

Wheat

[coinman1794]

The discussion above reminds me of why for me, some coins simply should not be in slabs. The PCGS grade (if it is indeed VF-20) is actually RIGHT! The problem is that so many other so-called VF coins are overgraded, which in turn makes this correct grade look "conservative" ... which it actually is not.

 

In other words, the slab is unfairly keeping this coin down, while other slabs are unfairly inflating other coins that are in worse shape but graded the same.

 

There are nice UNC S-4s out there. Compare the detail on an UNC, and you will see that there is no way this example is remotely "extremely fine 45". It is much too worn for that to be the case. But VF fits well.

 

Yes, VF30!

[Hard Times]

The discussion above reminds me of why for me, some coins simply should not be in slabs. The PCGS grade (if it is indeed VF-20) is actually RIGHT! The problem is that so many other so-called VF coins are overgraded, which in turn makes this correct grade look "conservative" ... which it actually is not.

 

In other words, the slab is unfairly keeping this coin down, while other slabs are unfairly inflating other coins that are in worse shape but graded the same.

 

There are nice UNC S-4s out there. Compare the detail on an UNC, and you will see that there is no way this example is remotely "extremely fine 45". It is much too worn for that to be the case. But VF fits well.

 

I don't agree with this James, EAC grading is a myth, there is no grading guide, and talking to EAC dealers, they all say that all EACers grade differently, so the only type of grading that has any level of consistency, or at least, there is a record of grading through photographs of slabbed coins and guides is the market/ANA grading standards apparently used by TPGs. Hence, this coin, as Mark Feld notes, is maybe perhaps closer to 45 and undergraded, unless there are some problems not readily observed in these images.

 

Time for the NBA draft lottery drawing - Go BLAZERS!

 

Best, HT