Different Forums/Different Attitudes - UPDATE, See Last Post

[bsshog40]

The Topic ATS really shows to me the difference in member attitude we have here. It seems an older lady was trying to cash in some Peace and Morgan dollars into a coinstar machine. Of course, it wasn't taking them. So here is a friend of a member ATS that gave her $40 for the 40 Peace and Morgan dollars. What a nice guy huh? Then he in turn buys them from his friend who is not a collector but knows he is. Anyway, I know over here we'd probably be telling this guy of how much he ripped grandma off, while ATS is like, "Great Score", "where's the pics", and then just wondering how she got the coins. I've always found that the majority of mentality ATS is "do unto others before they do unto you". Anyway, my rant for the day!! Glad I'm here in Sleepy Hollow!!

[noow]

[johnny9434]

unfortanatly there are all types of them ummm errr fine fellows floating around. chalk another one up

[MarkFeld]

The Topic ATS really shows to me the difference in member attitude we have here. It seems an older lady was trying to cash in some Peace and Morgan dollars into a coinstar machine. Of course, it wasn't taking them. So here is a friend of a member ATS that gave her $40 for the 40 Peace and Morgan dollars. What a nice guy huh? Then he in turn buys them from his friend who is not a collector but knows he is. Anyway, I know over here we'd probably be telling this guy of how much he ripped grandma off, while ATS is like, "Great Score", "where's the pics", and then just wondering how she got the coins. I've always found that the majority of mentality ATS is "do unto others before they do unto you". Anyway, my rant for the day!! Glad I'm here in Sleepy Hollow!!

 

Sorry, I think you're being unfair in your generalization.

 

First, it wasn't "an older lady" - it was "a young lady was dumping change into the Coin Star machine."

 

The guy bought the coins from her wasn't the poster to the thread, but rather, a friend of the poster's. So the poster couldn't have paid a fair price to the young lady, even if he wanted to.

 

I believe that there are people on each forum who would treat the lady right, and others who would take advantage of her, if given the opportunity.

 

 

[Mr.Mcknowitall]

The Topic ATS really shows to me the difference in member attitude we have here. It seems an older lady was trying to cash in some Peace and Morgan dollars into a coinstar machine. Of course, it wasn't taking them. So here is a friend of a member ATS that gave her $40 for the 40 Peace and Morgan dollars. What a nice guy huh? Then he in turn buys them from his friend who is not a collector but knows he is. Anyway, I know over here we'd probably be telling this guy of how much he ripped grandma off, while ATS is like, "Great Score", "where's the pics", and then just wondering how she got the coins. I've always found that the majority of mentality ATS is "do unto others before they do unto you". Anyway, my rant for the day!! Glad I'm here in Sleepy Hollow!!

 

Sorry, I think you're being unfair in your generalization.

 

First, it wasn't "an older lady" - it was "a young lady was dumping change into the Coin Star machine."

 

The guy bought the coins from her wasn't the poster to the thread, but rather, a friend of the poster's. So the poster couldn't have paid a fair price to the young lady, even if he wanted to.

 

I believe that there are people on each forum who would treat the lady right, and others who would take advantage of her, if given the opportunity.

 

 

Spoil (logical) Sport-How come you always have to do that to everybodys' Post?

How do you expect people to have fun if you keep doing that?

 

Respectfully, ( I am wobbling a little bit, though...)

John Curlis

[bsshog40]

The Topic ATS really shows to me the difference in member attitude we have here. It seems an older lady was trying to cash in some Peace and Morgan dollars into a coinstar machine. Of course, it wasn't taking them. So here is a friend of a member ATS that gave her $40 for the 40 Peace and Morgan dollars. What a nice guy huh? Then he in turn buys them from his friend who is not a collector but knows he is. Anyway, I know over here we'd probably be telling this guy of how much he ripped grandma off, while ATS is like, "Great Score", "where's the pics", and then just wondering how she got the coins. I've always found that the majority of mentality ATS is "do unto others before they do unto you". Anyway, my rant for the day!! Glad I'm here in Sleepy Hollow!!

 

Sorry, I think you're being unfair in your generalization.

 

First, it wasn't "an older lady" - it was "a young lady was dumping change into the Coin Star machine."

 

The guy bought the coins from her wasn't the poster to the thread, but rather, a friend of the poster's. So the poster couldn't have paid a fair price to the young lady, even if he wanted to.

 

I believe that there are people on each forum who would treat the lady right, and others who would take advantage of her, if given the opportunity.

 

Someone had mentioned grandpa's coins and grandma stuck in my head. My mistake there. I also did post that this was a friend of the poster. My Quote: "So here is a friend of a member ATS". My point was that just about every post on there had NO mention of how the friend ripped the lady off nor did anyone even care about that. I might add also, the OP didn't mention anything about how his friend ripped her off either. Those are my points!!

[BillJones]

The Topic ATS really shows to me the difference in member attitude we have here. It seems an older lady was trying to cash in some Peace and Morgan dollars into a coinstar machine. Of course, it wasn't taking them. So here is a friend of a member ATS that gave her $40 for the 40 Peace and Morgan dollars. What a nice guy huh? Then he in turn buys them from his friend who is not a collector but knows he is. Anyway, I know over here we'd probably be telling this guy of how much he ripped grandma off, while ATS is like, "Great Score", "where's the pics", and then just wondering how she got the coins. I've always found that the majority of mentality ATS is "do unto others before they do unto you". Anyway, my rant for the day!! Glad I'm here in Sleepy Hollow!!

 

Sorry, I think you're being unfair in your generalization.

 

First, it wasn't "an older lady" - it was "a young lady was dumping change into the Coin Star machine."

 

The guy bought the coins from her wasn't the poster to the thread, but rather, a friend of the poster's. So the poster couldn't have paid a fair price to the young lady, even if he wanted to.

 

I believe that there are people on each forum who would treat the lady right, and others who would take advantage of her, if given the opportunity.

 

 

Here are some of my generalizations about the people who post on the two forums.

 

• There seems to be a lot more interest and postings from “flippers” and those who make a “big score” over there than over here.

• There is less interest in pure numismatic research over here than over there.

• There are more people who have turf to defend, such as the modern coin market and the high prices for high grade modern coins, over there than over here.

• When you post over there, if the topic catches fire, there are many posts very quickly. Over here things take a while.

• I’ve met some real ladies and gentlemen on both boards. It has been a pleasure posting on both them. I’ve say that I’ve gotten beat up more times over there than over here.

 

[michael]

 

Here are some of my generalizations about the people who post on the two forums.

 

• There seems to be a lot more interest and postings from “flippers” and those who make a “big score” over there than over here.

• There is less interest in pure numismatic research over here than over there.

• There are more people who have turf to defend, such as the modern coin market and the high prices for high grade modern coins, over there than over here.

• When you post over there, if the topic catches fire, there are many posts very quickly. Over here things take a while.

• I’ve met some real ladies and gentlemen on both boards. It has been a pleasure posting on both them. I’ve say that I’ve gotten beat up more times over there than over here.

 

(thumbs u

 

and

 

most people over there are mean spirited

[Conder101]

I've seen the same type of thread posted over here as well.

 

I've also seen the same type of threads where a dealer buying silver from an unknowledgeable person is soundly criticized, and a member tell about how he bought some silver from someone for half of melt being congratulated for his lucky rip.

 

We are guilty of bad behavior as well.

[DirtyGoldMan]

The Topic ATS really shows to me the difference in member attitude we have here. It seems an older lady was trying to cash in some Peace and Morgan dollars into a coinstar machine. Of course, it wasn't taking them. So here is a friend of a member ATS that gave her $40 for the 40 Peace and Morgan dollars. What a nice guy huh? Then he in turn buys them from his friend who is not a collector but knows he is. Anyway, I know over here we'd probably be telling this guy of how much he ripped grandma off, while ATS is like, "Great Score", "where's the pics", and then just wondering how she got the coins. I've always found that the majority of mentality ATS is "do unto others before they do unto you". Anyway, my rant for the day!! Glad I'm here in Sleepy Hollow!!

 

There was only one "Great Score", and the OP was, overall, an unfair characterization. I have found that folks over here tend to be very critical of the folks ATS for a variety of reasons, many of which reflect poorly on those making judgment. That said, I am glad that you enjoy being in Sleepy Hollow.

[lehigh96]

Whenever I read these types of threads I feel very uneasy. There are so many people who get angry when somebody fleeces an uninformed person. Yet I spend many hours every week attempting to do exactly that when I play poker. In poker, there are sharks and fish. The sharks feed unmercifully on the fish and separate them from their money. I have come to learn that the game of poker is a microcosm of life. In just about every arena of life, especially business, there are sharks and fish.

 

It should not be incumbent upon the shark to teach the fish how to swim. In other words, if you can't swim, stay out of the water. Caveat Emptor! However one wants to say it, it needs to be said. As long as people are not intentionally deceiving people to get their money, I say let the fish get eaten.

 

In the current scenario, I am do not feel at all sorry for the woman who tried to cash silver dollars in a Coinstar machine. My first thought was how has this person been able to even survive to their current age.

[bochiman]

Mark, SageRad, Conder101 have all already said what I would have said....

 

I don't know why it should be a "US vs THEM" type of thinking. I really don't.

I have read more on this board than post, and posted a lot there, but read even more.

 

There are jerks everywhere and there are cool folks everywhere as well. There are egos everywhere also.

 

I have seen folks post about ripping unsuspecting people off over there and really get ripped into. This one was about " a friend" who scored....what good is it to rip into the OP there for that? I chose to not reply to the thread as I didn't like what I read, but it wouldn't do any good to reply about it.

 

There are more than a few that post in both places. Many that only post here (some by choice). At the end of the day, I would hope we would all just want to be enjoying this hobby and learning and sharing. Just like I would want to read a rant about the NGC boards in any thread over there, I don't really like them from here.

 

Rants should be about specific people and their actions.....not about a generalization of a community on the boards.

 

Sorry....I'll get off my soapbox now.

[Dcoin]

To me the hotel buyers are far worst than anything in the story.

[rrantique]

To me the hotel buyers are far worst than anything in the story. (thumbs u

 

Transient Gold Buyers Forced to Shut Down

 

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 9:24pm — ncic

 

The Beaumont Police Department recently shut down a major gold buying operation set up at the Courtyard Marriott in Beaumont, Texas. THR & Associates was in violation of a new State Law that took effect on January 1, 2012

 

 

Related Link:

 

 

http://theexaminer.com/stories/news/transient-gold-buyers-forced-shut-down

[bsshog40]

Well from where I sit, I've been a member ATS as long as I've been here. That post just caught me on an off day and I know there are a lot of people out there that will take advantage of whomever whenever. Me, I'm not that type and don't plan on changing just because that's the way it is. It's a shame also that when a person is a collector of something and uses that knowledge to take from those that don't. I'm also dissappointed in your statement Paul Lehigh96 quote: "My first thought was how has this person been able to even survive to their current age." Just because this person was unknowledgeable of what she had makes her unable to survive life? That's a pretty big egotistical statement if you want my opinion. Anyway, I agree with most that people are going to gain off someone's ignorance of what they have. I also know that there are people, even both sides of the forum (didn't mean to sound like I was discriminating THAT much) there are good people that will help others in need. My feelings are if I seen someone that distraught, trying to cash in coins at a coinstar, are either a thief, or someone in desparate need of money. I'm sure I could figure it out once conversation was made which type person it was. If a thief, I would have to report that. If someone desparate, well I don't usually have the money to be able to pay someone what it's worth but I can steer them in the right direction. Anyway, sorry for the rant and I guess I seemed to have discriminated a little more than my original intentions. Of course, the only posters I know ATS are ones that post here also. Rant Over!!!

[Kenneth F]

The person who bought the coins did so with knowledge that the seller didnt have. Had this lady known what she had in her hand, she wouldnt have attempted to dump them into a Coin Star machine. This buyer took full advantage of this lady by paying $1 per Morgan. If it was me, I would have conducted a bit of coin training with this lady. I feel that this person did in fact rip the lady off. Thats some shady action!

 

You cant compare this situation with playing poker. The guy across the table with you has knowledge of the game.. a lady with a handful of Morgans at the coin star machine doesnt. Heck, why dont I do combatives with my 10 year old.. Hey, if she isnt training in combatives, tough cookies.. right? Come on.

 

If that thread was started here, I would have commented with "I cant believe that".. not "dude, nice score".. that kinda of praise encourages misconduct in the coin collecting world.

[Kamillion]

off with their heads!!

[Crohnos01]

The person who bought the coins did so with knowledge that the seller didnt have. Had this lady known what she had in her hand, she wouldnt have attempted to dump them into a Coin Star machine. This buyer took full advantage of this lady by paying $1 per Morgan. If it was me, I would have conducted a bit of coin training with this lady. I feel that this person did in fact rip the lady off. Thats some shady action!

 

You cant compare this situation with playing poker. The guy across the table with you has knowledge of the game.. a lady with a handful of Morgans at the coin star machine doesnt. Heck, why dont I do combatives with my 10 year old.. Hey, if she isnt training in combatives, tough cookies.. right? Come on.

 

If that thread was started here, I would have commented with "I cant believe that".. not "dude, nice score".. that kinda of praise encourages misconduct in the coin collecting world.

 

I tend to agree with Kenneth as far as trying to educate rather than just taking advantage of the lady trying to dump coins in the machine. That being said, I know that my credit union manager is also a collector and she had a recently widowed member come in and do the exact same thing with her deceased husbands coin collection. My manager friend tried to stop her and explain that the coins were worth more than face value, but the widow didn't really seem to care and just wanted the money at face value... Needless to say, my manager friend made some nice additions to her collection by then pulling the contents of the machine and sorting through the coins.....

[lehigh96]

 

You cant compare this situation with playing poker. The guy across the table with you has knowledge of the game.. a lady with a handful of Morgans at the coin star machine doesnt.

 

You assume that the guy across the table has knowledge of the game. As someone who plays 1000 hours per year in a casino, my experience has shown me that is absolutely untrue. So when a guy comes to the table and plunks down $1,000 and it is obvious that he has no idea what he is doing, am I supposed to say "excuse me sir, but I think you should go play $2-$4 limit until you learn a little more about the game"? Or should I just take his money?

 

My analogy was that in life there are always situations where some people are more informed than others and those with knowledge will exploit those without. It happens in every facet of life and is pretty much accepted. Except in numismatics where all of a sudden people develop this lofty ethical code.

[lehigh96]

I'm also dissappointed in your statement Paul Lehigh96 quote: "My first thought was how has this person been able to even survive to their current age." Just because this person was unknowledgeable of what she had makes her unable to survive life? That's a pretty big egotistical statement if you want my opinion.

 

Bobby, it has nothing to do with ego. If this woman doesn't know that silver coins are worth more than face value, then what other things doesn't she know? To me, the fact that she was cashing in Peace/Morgan Dollars at face is an indicator that she has much bigger problems in her life than losing $1,000 from sheer ignorance. It was my gut reaction to the story and it was an honest reaction. Sorry if it offended you!

[noow]

off with their heads!!

+1

[Kenneth F]

 

You cant compare this situation with playing poker. The guy across the table with you has knowledge of the game.. a lady with a handful of Morgans at the coin star machine doesnt.

 

You assume that the guy across the table has knowledge of the game. As someone who plays 1000 hours per year in a casino, my experience has shown me that is absolutely untrue. So when a guy comes to the table and plunks down $1,000 and it is obvious that he has no idea what he is doing, am I supposed to say "excuse me sir, but I think you should go play $2-$4 limit until you learn a little more about the game"? Or should I just take his money?

 

My analogy was that in life there are always situations where some people are more informed than others and those with knowledge will exploit those without. It happens in every facet of life and is pretty much accepted. Except in numismatics where all of a sudden people develop this lofty ethical code.

 

So what you are trying to tell me is that some bubba just walks into a Casino, with no card knowledge what so ever, and drops that much money on the table? I bet he knows how the play the game, just not good at it. I to, spend slot time playing blackjack at Casion Del Sol in Tucson.. if some beanhead makes a bad hit or raises when the dealer might have a winning hand, I will offer some advice. Maybe its just the kind of person I am. I hate it when people take advantage of others. I know.. its a dog eat dog world.. got it.

 

 

[Jim Beam]

The person who bought the coins did so with knowledge that the seller didnt have. Had this lady known what she had in her hand, she wouldnt have attempted to dump them into a Coin Star machine. This buyer took full advantage of this lady by paying $1 per Morgan. If it was me, I would have conducted a bit of coin training with this lady. I feel that this person did in fact rip the lady off. Thats some shady action!

 

You cant compare this situation with playing poker. The guy across the table with you has knowledge of the game.. a lady with a handful of Morgans at the coin star machine doesnt. Heck, why dont I do combatives with my 10 year old.. Hey, if she isnt training in combatives, tough cookies.. right? Come on.

 

If that thread was started here, I would have commented with "I cant believe that".. not "dude, nice score".. that kinda of praise encourages misconduct in the coin collecting world.

 

Do we know for a fact the person who bought the coins from the young lady really had the knowledge they were worth more than face? Maybe the person weas just trying to help the lady out by giving her the cash she wanted/needed. We know the person who bought from the person who bought from the young lady knew what he was doing but he/she was not part of the original transaction. Sometimes, life is like a corn cob - it is rough all over. Who knows in this case?

[lehigh96]

 

You cant compare this situation with playing poker. The guy across the table with you has knowledge of the game.. a lady with a handful of Morgans at the coin star machine doesnt.

 

You assume that the guy across the table has knowledge of the game. As someone who plays 1000 hours per year in a casino, my experience has shown me that is absolutely untrue. So when a guy comes to the table and plunks down $1,000 and it is obvious that he has no idea what he is doing, am I supposed to say "excuse me sir, but I think you should go play $2-$4 limit until you learn a little more about the game"? Or should I just take his money?

 

My analogy was that in life there are always situations where some people are more informed than others and those with knowledge will exploit those without. It happens in every facet of life and is pretty much accepted. Except in numismatics where all of a sudden people develop this lofty ethical code.

 

So what you are trying to tell me is that some bubba just walks into a Casino, with no card knowledge what so ever, and drops that much money on the table? I bet he knows how the play the game, just not good at it.

 

 

Yep, it happens all the time. The sharks at the table just shoot each other a quick glance. And we all know what that glance means: DINNER TIME!

[MJ]

Big city vs small city. Both have their perks and warts. I like both. MJ

[Kenneth F]

All I can say is that the buyers actions were crooked. But yes, we dont know the whole story.

[MarkFeld]

All I can say is that the buyers actions were crooked. But yes, we dont know the whole story.

 

You might have just contradicted yourself. Part of not knowing the whole story is that we don't know if the person who bought the coins from the lady knew that they were worth more than face value. If he didn't, his actions weren't "crooked'. And even if he did know, while I think his behavior was unethical, I'm sure not everyone would agree with me.

[bsshog40]

I'm also dissappointed in your statement Paul Lehigh96 quote: "My first thought was how has this person been able to even survive to their current age." Just because this person was unknowledgeable of what she had makes her unable to survive life? That's a pretty big egotistical statement if you want my opinion.

 

Bobby, it has nothing to do with ego. If this woman doesn't know that silver coins are worth more than face value, then what other things doesn't she know? To me, the fact that she was cashing in Peace/Morgan Dollars at face is an indicator that she has much bigger problems in her life than losing $1,000 from sheer ignorance. It was my gut reaction to the story and it was an honest reaction. Sorry if it offended you!

I guess I took your comment wrong then Paul. To me it sounded like, she don't know anything about the coins she had, she must've been really stupid. That was my interpretation. Simple mistake. Thanks for clarifying Paul!!

[bsshog40]

All I can say is that the buyers actions were crooked. But yes, we dont know the whole story.

 

You might have just contradicted yourself. Part of not knowing the whole story is that we don't know if the person who bought the coins from the lady knew that they were worth more than face value. If he didn't, his actions weren't "crooked'. And even if he did know, while I think his behavior was unethical, I'm sure not everyone would agree with me.

The person that bought the coins is a friend of the collector. I'm sure that being friends, he has been shown what to look for otherwise he would not have known what the lady had anymore than she did.

[MarkFeld]

All I can say is that the buyers actions were crooked. But yes, we dont know the whole story.

 

You might have just contradicted yourself. Part of not knowing the whole story is that we don't know if the person who bought the coins from the lady knew that they were worth more than face value. If he didn't, his actions weren't "crooked'. And even if he did know, while I think his behavior was unethical, I'm sure not everyone would agree with me.

The person that bought the coins is a friend of the collector. I'm sure that being friends, he has been shown what to look for otherwise he would not have known what the lady had anymore than she did.

 

Maybe, probably, but without knowing the whole story, I prefer not to label someone's actions as "crooked".