1874-CC/1876-CC Trade Dollars

[tallguybry]

Hey Guys,

 

I hope everyone had a great Holiday season!

 

Now, I know there are a lot of fake CC Trade Dollars out there. But these don't look fake because I see mint luster. I snatched them up as soon as they came up for auction.

 

1874-CC

 

1876-CC

 

Can fake coins exhibit luster?

 

Thoughts?

Bryan

 

 

[RWB]

Can fake coins exhibit luster?

 

Sure. Why not?

 

[tallguybry]

Hummmm.

 

I looked at the replica's online and none of them exhibit luster.

 

I will weigh them when they arrive. 27.22g is my hope!

 

Bryan

[MarkFeld]

I believe that they are both counterfeit.

[tallguybry]

I believe that they are both counterfeit.

 

 

How come Mark? What do you see?

 

Bryan

[James_OldeTowne]

Can fake coins exhibit luster?

 

Sure. Why not?

Any metal surface exhibits "luster".

 

Now, are you asking whether any fake coin can exhibit the luster of a genuine coin? It's possible for better die-struck fakes, but most fakes are too cheap to show deceptive luster.

[Dudley the 1st]

Remember, you do have a limited Return Policy. I would suggest you make use of it. Bryan, there are some very good books to teach one about counterfeit detection and some specifically on the Trade Dollar subject. Happy hunting, and happy new year's.

[James_OldeTowne]

I forgot to mention that both appear to be fakes to me.

[tallguybry]

Again!

 

 

[e1cnr]

the CC looks a little big and to the left

 

 

luster is the result of striking or surface manipulation

 

this coin looks played with, heavily cleaned and/or whizzed

 

 

you can take a VG coin and whiz it with a dremel and get luster

because you have rearranged the surface and exposed new metal

 

 

hopefully your items do not stick to a magnet and are at least silver

[tallguybry]

I've asked the seller to take them down to a jewelry store and have them weigh them.

 

But my Q is: What if they come back 27.22g?

[tallguybry]

and I have asked for a magnet test too!

[tallguybry]

Can you guys do me a favor?

 

Would you find me a picture of a "fake" trade dollar that exhibits luster? I'm having a hard time finding one.

[MarkFeld]

I've asked the seller to take them down to a jewelry store and have them weigh them.

 

But my Q is: What if they come back 27.22g?

Instead of doing that or (as you mentioned in another post), asking about a magnet test, you should cancel the transactions. Plenty of counterfeit coins exhibit varying degrees of luster. And to my eyes, the coins look off.

 

Do not buy coins of that type unless or until you become expert at assessing them. Otherwise, the odds are stacked dramatically against you.

[tallguybry]

Gotcha Mark.

 

 

[No+4Me]

Those are both fakes, and poor ones at that. The rims and dentils out them. I posted this piece on Cointalk in 2009. I hope it helps. Be careful

 

http://www.cointalk.com/t63695/

[tallguybry]

What's a denticle?

[Schatzy]

What's a denticle?

Denticles are the little tooth-like design elements around the perimeter of the coin.

 

 

 

I think you need lots of research before buying ungraded coins.

[tallguybry]

Amen!

 

I know I have a lot of learning to do!

 

.....and a place to stay when my Wife kicks me to the curb!

[tallguybry]

I think I need this book: Numismatic Forgery

[Keigwin]

What's a denticle?

Denticles are the bumps on the rim of an oreo cookie.

Lance.

[cpm9ball]

It's probably a longshot, but if you were planning to attend the FUN Show in Orlando next week, there is a free seminar on Friday: Counterfeit & Altered Coin Detection.

 

Chris

[No+4Me]

The book "Numismatic Forgery" is a great read, and shows how high quality forgeries can be made, but it doesn't "reverse engineer" enough to show how the defects in fakes can be detected, and it does not go into transfer die forgeries-- the most common type-- in any detail. There is also very little written about the enormous number of fake slabs entering the numismatic stream, which contain either inferior genuine coins, or outright fakes. Take a look at this site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/

[J3_Dog]

Mannnnn, You all are soooo good. I'm really glad I came here. So much to learn. I've learned a lot in a few weeks

[Kenneth F]

I see that both items were removed .... both links are dead.

[e1cnr]

No+4Me, that Flickr acct is a shocker

 

some very easy to detect, to some very good looking coins/fakes

 

 

and the good ones in fake slabs with nice peripheral toning would fool 99.5% collectors -

[James_OldeTowne]

The book "Numismatic Forgery" is a great read, and shows how high quality forgeries can be made, but it doesn't "reverse engineer" enough to show how the defects in fakes can be detected, and it does not go into transfer die forgeries-- the most common type-- in any detail. There is also very little written about the enormous number of fake slabs entering the numismatic stream, which contain either inferior genuine coins, or outright fakes. Take a look at this site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/

All PCGS fakes, and not a single fake NGC holder! Guess which holder I'd feel safest buying....