Are these two items genuine?

[MarkFeld]

And by the way, I'm asking about the coins, not the carpet. Thanks.

 

 

item #1

 

item #2

[bajablu]

Id say no. ATS theres a thread about this sellers items right now. Id tread carefully. I dont know how to link yet sorry. Im sure someone will be able to.

[BillJones]

It's hard to tell given the fuzzy photos and the AT toning that is hiding a lot. I'd say they are probably both counterfeits, the 1795 for sure. But from those photos it's hard to tell.

[stev32k]

If real those would be five figure coins, and would be in a holder of some kind. I doubt very seriously if anyone would be trying to sell genuine five figure coins on ebay in a no reserve auction.

[MarkFeld]

If real those would be five figure coins, and would be in a holder of some kind. I doubt very seriously if anyone would be trying to sell genuine five figure coins on ebay in a no reserve auction.

I believe the odds are that you're correct in this case. BUT, the fact that coins are being offered as uncertified and at no reserve doesn't automatically mean that they're not genuine. There are exceptions where valuable coins are sold without certification - in fact it occurs more frequently than proponents of certification want to believe.

[PerryHall]

Too many red flags. I'll pass.

[stev32k]

It's possible those are real, but I think the chances are very slim. The seller knows enough to describe the 1795 as having a small eagle so he has done some research. Since he has looked up the coin he has to know that a genuine 1795 dollar in that condition is worth a lot of money.

 

He also says it was authenticated by a reputable coin shop. If that is the case the dealer would have advised him on the approximate difference in the value of the coin in certified vs raw. I also believe that if the coin were real the dealer would have made a substantial offer - likely more than the seller can get on ebay. A genuine raw 1795 dollar in AU - MS does not come around very often.

 

The other thing that makes me suspicious is that the seller has two 1884-S Morgan dollars listed in addition to the 1795. In looking at his feedback it appears previous sales were all under $100. So how is it that all of a sudden he has three expensive, raw coins listed at the same time?

 

P.S. I just sent the seller a note asking for the name of the dealer that authenticated the coin. I'll post his response.

 

 

[ibyandsellsmith]

Here's a better pic of the obverse, man looks real to me, but why AT this coin?

[MarkFeld]

It doesn't look genuine to me. And one reason to AT it would be to try to divert attention from the consideration as to whether it is counterfeit or not.

[jman425]

Something does not look right about it. The details and edges look too sharp.

[bajablu]

I dont think they are legit. I am no expert though, but from some of the pictures Ive seen here and elsewhere, Id say no. Just not right.

[rrantique]

It doesn't look genuine to me. And one reason to AT it would be to try to divert attention from the consideration as to whether it is counterfeit or not.

 

Suspicion: High value coin photo looks like shot from outer-space.

AT= Lady liberty from poor attempt at toning, looks like has a beard and or spiked chin.

 

P.S. Using red towel for back ground. Not genuine carpet.

Strategy: 2nd 84-s with blue linen towel.

[bsshog40]

By the blown up pic by Richard, I would say the 1795 may be counterfeit. Looks to have some pitting on the edges from possible casting, and again that could be some type of corrosion that couldn't be cleaned. With the original (sellers)pics, these would be hard to determine. ?????

[JRocco]

Hey Mark, How are you?

 

An auctioneer with that many auctions under his/her/their whatever belt has to know that an expensive piece, whether it be a coin or an old Egyptian artifact, would/should be shown with a better pic.

 

If for no other reason, and there are many other reasons, those pics do no more than take everyone for a fool, and lead me to keep my PayPal balance low.

 

Even a small pic in focus should be achievable by all.

 

[MikeInFL]

I may not know the difference between a counterfeit and a real draped bust dollar, or a NT and AT morgan -- but I do know the difference between a carpet and a towel.

 

As for the coins, I have no idea. The photos aren't large enough for me to tell, but the 1795 dollar looks odd.

[stev32k]

Dang, you guys are good! I did not even consider that the coin might be on a towel instead of carpet.

[just-john]

1700 + pos feedback 7 day return looks like he/she sell alot of morgan s mintmarks.

and at .99 cents or 32 bucks and 100 for that 1795 even if its fake looks cool

[ibyandsellsmith]

Dang, you guys are good! I did not even consider that the coin might be on a towel instead of carpet.

[CarolinaCollector]

The 1795 doesn't look real to me. The strike seems "too good".

 

The 1884-S is a cleaned XF-AU.

[braddick]

The answer is revealed when you see where he purchased it from via eBay's buying feedback.

[MarkFeld]

The answer is revealed when you see where he purchased it from via eBay's buying feedback.

Pat, would you provide a link, please? I looked through 3 pages of the current seller's feedback as a buyer before I gave up.

[stev32k]

The seller says it was authenticated by Buffalo Collectibles Inc. I can't find anything on them.

[braddick]

The answer is revealed when you see where he purchased it from via eBay's buying feedback.

Pat, would you provide a link, please? I looked through 3 pages of the current seller's feedback as a buyer before I gave up.

 

Mark, I base my conclusion on the fact that months ago, when I was gathering a few of these (all of which I still own...) I was outbid twice by that same seller.

 

Here is one of mine. See if it differs, outside of brightness, to his:

 

[halfpint]

 

they don't look quite right to me, mark. i'd pass or at the very least...punt!

[James_OldeTowne]

FAKE!