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It was a slow day at one of the local B&M's.............(Part II)

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and this is why I have fun sifting through slabs. There are so many of the Morgan varieties that are unattributed. That's good for me because I may have had to pay more for them.

 

I took 15 photos of this 1878 8TF, and I really could have taken two dozen more. On the obverse, the lefthand stars 5-7 are sextupled, but even with my stereomicroscope, it doesn't show well because my lighting is inadequate. Some of E PLURIBUS UNUM is also sextupled. The right half of the obverse is bathed in a blue irridescence, and if not for the overall toning (again, no toners, right?) this coin may have gotten a PL designation. The fields are very clean, but the wear on the devices is it's downfall resulting in the MS62.

 

I don't know if I'll be able to attach all 15 photos in this post, but here goes.

 

Chris

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Those are spectacular images! I must ask you, how many times was that first image of an 8 punched? hm

 

Thanks, Tom! It looks like four. I can see two inside right and one inside left.

 

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impressive photos. Any of these visible with the naked eye or a loupe?

 

Yep! You don't think I carry my microscope around with me, do you? lol

 

However, I've become fairly familiar with certain 8TF varieties, so I look for specific indicators. When I see any of them and if the price is right, I'll buy it and check for other details at home.

 

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Nice cherrypick, Chris!

 

I really could have taken two ... sextupled ... bath...s.

 

Sounds like another afternoon with TomB!

 

Hoot

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Thanks, guys!

 

Hey, Lou, how would you like to try out your variety imaging technique on something like this? You'd have to center the obverse and use a 360 degree layout.

 

I have no doubt that you would be able to do it.

 

Chris

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Without more photos, I am putting this one as a VAM 18,19, or 20.

 

Look here for more info

 

http://www.vamworld.com/1878-P+VAM-20

 

MM hm

 

It's somewhere in that neighborhood, but there is more to it than that which is described in my 8TF Attribution Wizard or on the VAMWorld site. The Wizard identifies it as a VAM 18, but it fails to mention the multiple RPD inside the lower loop of the first "8". This is very important because it would seem to me that this would be indicative of an earlier die state. To further support this, there is absolutley no trace evidence of a die clash. I would also think that the sextupling on some of the stars and E PLURIBUS UNUM would be noteworthy. My example also shows some evidence of die polishing or retooling where the extra, little feathers would have been at the base of the eagle's wings, but there are a couple of die chips in the area that are definitely not associated with the removal of those feathers.

 

As I stated in my original post, it would probably take two dozen more photos to show everything. Before I consider sending this to Leroy Van Allen for attribution, I'm going to contact Ash Harrison who is the President of the SSDC to see if he has (or knows someone who does have) any knowledge of this particular variety.

 

Thanks for the input!

 

Chris

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Nice cherrypick, Chris!

 

I really could have taken two ... sextupled ... bath...s.

 

Sounds like another afternoon with TomB!

 

Hoot

 

If you really want to get a reaction from Tom, put a plate of Maryland-style crabs in front of him.

 

Chris

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Do you resubmit for attribution? or just leave it be?

 

It would have to be documented, first, before it could be resubmitted for attribution. Even then, unless it were a "Top 100" or "Hot 50", it is doubtful that NGC would attribute it. PCGS might, but not NGC.

 

Chris

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