Ernest Nichols

Yes, it is off, it is white metal… which leads to the question of why would someone make a fake that isn't even the same metal? Did you stop and think that it could be a zinc composition? Which over years can appear as you would say “ grainy” and or bubbled. You have to admit… i do make a reasonable argument sir. And may i call you by your name please? I don't even know whom i am chatting with. And what is the metal composition and weight of this token of yours? If you don't mind me asking another unanswered question i’m assuming.

And as you can see it is questionable by the question marks by 230 and 352. Which makes this individual uncertain…. Wouldn’t you say? Yes, another question, can you answer this one and others I've asked?

So you can not show me a pic of the outer rim? Maybe it’s because those are not your pics. And you can not provide a name of the maker because you have no idea. So you jumped into this conversation not answering very simplistic questions just based on your knowledge. What credentials do any of you have that would verify your expertise? And by the way …. I have searched for months and found copper and brass fakes but no white metal. I have contacted Scovill manufacturer and although it will take some time… they are willing to check there archives to see if indeed this token was struck at there plant.

And who is this maker?

Do you have a pic of the outer rim.

And now you expand your intelligence with insults…. Well done, again, answer the questions please. Can you point out this “seem” you see without having it in your hand?

Embarrassed? I dont think so! First off, you basically called me a lier and you can not answer simple questions, because you think you know everything usually means you dont … especially.. as i said before, you have not physically seen or held this token. Some people see the class half full (positive) and some see it half empty ( negative) go back and read and try to answer some of my questions, they are the ones behind the question marks. Shouldn’t be hard to find

And do you think that NGC is 100% correct with one or two individuals evaluating coins, medals and tokens? Have you ever seen in person or physically held this particular token? NO…. And you have heard of getting second and possibly third opinions, right? Your point has been well taken. Why would anyone think of counterfeiting a F-230/352B token in white metal and or pewter, tin, lead when they as far as we know now were only struck in copper and brass? Think about all the possibilities on why someone would do that. Broaden your imagination…. How do you think the world evolved? …. Through new discoveries!! Right? Just answer this last question please….

So, now you call someone you do not know a lier! I sir am 62 yrs old and this token was given to me in a tin box along with other coins and pictures 44 years ago! When the public had no access to the internet, and for that matter had no idea what the internet was.

Sir…. Have you read this thread in its entirety? If not, maybe you should. If you have …. What part of my story on how i got this token do you not understand? This so called alibaba or whatever its called did not exist when “ MY UNCLE GAVE IT TO ME” thank you, understand what it is before you speak.

THAT, proves nothing to me sir.

Show and tell as best as possible that is.

No no, your opinion is much appreciated… can you show me the six different things that are wrong with this token and perhaps some sites where you have seen this token?

I believe what you looking at is a reflection from the clear plastic on the flip. There are no seems

The feel is sharp and it does have a dull ting to it

Notice the outer rim is not filed. If you can tell anyway. I will get some better pictures when it returns to me from NGC.

I wasn’t suggesting anyone was calling him a lier. I wonder if this same souvenir shop is open to this day? This may be another way to find out! and i do appreciate all of your comments and thoughts.

And if it was from a souvenir shop … why would it be duplicated in a white metal or pewter. When all they knew was Copper or Brass, now I realize a souvenir would not be either but something of the sort. I will find a local coin dealer here in Phoenix with an XRF and find out what the exact metal composition is. What i know from Scottdale coin shop in Scottsdale Az is that Gold, Silver, copper and Brass have been tested negative. I have emailed UCONN libraries to see if maybe they can help me by possibly getting into Scovill manu. archives.

And furthermore, i would love to hear why the people at NGC believe this token is not genuine. There is no visible evidence that would suggest that it is. I have seen fakes and it is especially evident around the rim and edges unlike mine. Just because its not in a book doesn't mean it should be. How on earth did the other tokens make it into the books? Because of new discoveries…. It is how the world evolved!

The same thought would apply to a fake or counterfeit…. Why only a one off, why haven’t we seen more? Ill tell you why…. Because there were only so many struck. I don't think my Uncle would lie to me regarding this token and where it came from. I will not stop until i get to the truth and someone out there knows the entirety of the story. I do not give up very easily my friend

A good percentage were made of copper by Scovill manufacturers and could have been very possible that this token was hand struck on a white metal planchet. However, there was a gentleman by the name of Henry Higgins that could have struck some 230/352b in white metal as well. Scovill manufacturing is still in business and i have emailed them in hopes of finding some info in there archives regarding this what I believe is a 230/352B e new discovery.

I realize this… thank you

And since NGC has there policies the way they do…. As soon as i get it, i will re-submit it. But, this time i will ask for a XRF test. I will not take not genuine for results until this is done. Why they could not just bill my credit card the extra $75 while its still there is beyond me.

Well, heres what i got today… hopefully thats not whats going on the label or it going back.