@Coinbuf I agree.

On 11/17/2022 at 8:34 PM, Just Bob said:

While it is possible that NGC really did "do you dirty," the more likely scenario is that they saw something that they felt was damaging your coin - possibly PVC, as others have suggested - and, in removing the contaminant, uncovered signs of cleaning.

I wish I was more prudent and took pictures of the coin prior to sending it in. I will do that moving forward with PCGS. The thing that frustrates me the most is that the coin didn’t have pvc or grime or toning or anything that would prevent graders from seeing signs of cleaning prior to conversation. I purchased this coin at an estate sale in a nice holder. The strike and details were clear. 

@Sandon Thanks for your input. It is very helpful for me going forward. 

On 11/17/2022 at 11:42 AM, EagleRJO said:

Sometimes there are issues that are not readily apparent to a layperson or visible with just pictures.

I know it really sucks and knocks the value down somewhat, but at least it's verified as genuine and uncirculated, but that's kind of like getting the booby prize. 😉

Hahaha very true

On 11/17/2022 at 11:36 AM, EagleRJO said:

I think the gist of it is that NGC will try their best to conserve/restore a coin, but there are no guarantees it will be completely effective. I don't know about NGC, but I can't seem to find my crystal ball either. 😜 

I wish I took a before picture. The coin was not dirty or grimy or anything like that… the whole thing is so bizarre to me.

On 11/17/2022 at 11:29 AM, EagleRJO said:

I believe this also happened to @Sandon

Well, at least I am not alone 

On 11/17/2022 at 11:12 AM, Mr.Bill347 said:

Wow that seems like total BS. If it needed conservation, was that just for the extra money?

Yeah… I don’t know why they would require me to pay more to have the coin graded then stick me with an UNC Details grade… The only thing I can think of is NGC arguing that they didn’t know it was cleaned until they “conserved it” but that doesn’t make sense. The coin was not grimy or dirty in any way… I wouldn’t send it a dirty coin expecting them to grade it. There is no reason they wouldn’t have been able to make that determination prior to charging me for conservation.

NGC did me really dirty

On 10/26/2022 at 8:54 PM, Just Bob said:

Welcome to the forum, Matthew. I hope you did not think that I was talking to you. I was referring to JamesBell, who, as you stated, is possibly not even a real person. The post has been reported, and hopefully we will not be bothered by him/it again.

Did you ever submit those full step nickels?

I did! I made several submissions and have been happy with the results. The only gripe I had was a 1942-P came back graded 67+ but no FS designation when it clearly is FS. Fortunately when I sent it in for a regrade, it came back with a FS grade. Here are my two favorites that I got back.

On 10/26/2022 at 7:54 PM, Just Bob said:

Are you kidding me? How big of a scumbag do you have to be to change someone's post to make it look like they are the spammer?

I am really confused. I am new to this forum, what do you mean?

edit: Nm, I just read his post. Wtf, that is so weird he would go through the trouble of changing someone’s post… I am thinking it might be some advanced bot.

On 10/12/2022 at 9:29 PM, FlyingAl said:

Can we all, just for a second, appreciate that we have an OP that actually took the time to resubmit and share the results?

I know that the results were positive, but the fact that he actually resubmitted and was right is to be commended. 

I gave Quintus Arrius my word, so I didn’t have a choice!
 

To be fair, it would have been much harder to give an update if the regrade didn’t go my way. From the moment I saw this coin in hand at auction I was enamored so I was very happy for it to receive the designation I felt it deserved. Super happy for it to be a permanent part of my collection. 

On 10/11/2022 at 1:37 PM, MarkFeld said:

Good for you and I mean that, sincerely.

Thanks! I genuinely think it was a close call. 

On 10/11/2022 at 2:23 AM, MarkFeld said:

Presumably, from non full steps to full steps. But to me, it doesn’t look anywhere close to full steps.

Fortunately the regrader disagreed. Just got the regrade results. 5FS. https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6484899-001/67/

On 10/11/2022 at 7:34 AM, GoldFinger1969 said:

NO, I meant $1,000 change from what to what.  Not familiar with pricing for this coin at all.

It is a change of about $275 to $1300

On 9/23/2022 at 6:57 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

[I am sorry you made a "commitment" to post an update when you get your submission back. I have been hounding a fellow member regarding an assertion he made for the past two years. There was a guy elsewhere who said he couldn't wait to get his back so he could throw it in our faces, but I am not allowed to talk about it. I will, however, hold you accountable.]    

Hahaha I sent it in last week. NGC received it but it isn’t in my submission list yet. I will definitely give an update when I get it back.

On 9/12/2022 at 12:58 PM, Quintus Arrius said:

Yours is an exquisite coin with a more than respectable grade. [None of my 🐓 graded that high.]  The steps appear to be intact as viewed from my perch, but my opinion, alas, does not count. I only have 50 years of collector experience.  

FWIW:  If the attribution sought translates into that humongous a dollar figure, it is quite understandable why our hosts would be finicky and picky as to whom they award the highly-coveted 5FS designation to.  [In order for me to make a definitive finding, I would have to whip out the Great 30-power Lense at least one member has quite vocally prohibited me from using.]

Thanks for the assessment. I am definitely going to send it in for a regrade and hopefully get the 5fs. I will post an update when I get it back 

On 9/11/2022 at 4:11 PM, VKurtB said:

I’m no expert on how the top firms assess full steps, but asking for a regrade on a 67+ sounds a little, ohhhh I dunno, ungrateful?

It makes about $1000 difference in market value. 

I am new to NGC. I have only submitted coins using their “standard” tier. I would like to save some money and use their “economy” tier, but I have two related questions/concerns:

1) Do coins still get checked and graded for Strike Characters such as Full Steps for Jefferson nickels and Full Bands for dimes if you submit the coins under the economy tier?

2) Is there a lesser chance of receiving Strike Character designations if you submit a coin under the Economy tier as compared to a more expensive tier?

I am new to NGC. I have only submitted coins using the “standard” tier. I would like to save some money and use the “economy” tier, but I have two related questions/concerns:

1) Do coins still get checked and graded for Strike Characters such as Full Steps for Jefferson nickels and Full Bands for dimes if you submit the coins under the economy tier?

2) Is there a lesser chance of receiving  Strike Character designations if you submit a coin under the Economy tier as compared to a more expensive tier?

On 7/19/2022 at 4:42 PM, Lem E said:

I think it has a pretty decent shot at 5FS. Can we see the whole coin?

It is still in the mint set I got at an estate auction. I bought the set just for this coin 😂

I have been trying to find a 1945s FS for a while. This one obviously doesn’t have 6 full steps but it looks like it has 5. What are your thoughts?

On 7/10/2022 at 1:58 PM, DWLange said:

The graders looks for strike characters such as 5FS, FB, PL, etc. automatically when grading raw coins, and there is no extra charge. If you have a coin already certified by NGC, then you would have to get it regraded when seeking such add ons.

Thanks so much for the explanation!