Deerhunter1599

Says ray burns LTD professional numismatic, Cleveland Ohio, 216-402-2646. I googled the place and it seems to be a real thing. I was told from the lady I purchased from today that it was a special strike after the mint had opened that year. There were only 5,000 minted. She could be feeding me garbage. It’s very possible. But I’m trying to keep and open mind. Like I mentioned before, these coins didn’t come from the mint and they had ZERO standers they had to meet because of that. They were made in someone’s basement from the reading I’ve done. If it’s real is a territorial gold coin. (Not to be compared with a double eagle from the mint). The quality of the gold seems 14 k at best. The gold seems real, and the scratches in the front seem deep enough that a base metal would be showing thru. The strike of the die looks as it it had suffered terrible erosion loss. Witch makes since if they were made after the mint in San Francisco had opened. They had already produced some 30,000 coins by then. Tho these coins were produced from kellogg and were traders around as real coins. Think about it for a fake coin made 170 years ago, it looks pretty good.

I just whipped the coin with a sunglass cleaning cloth. Nothing crazy. This was my reason for purchasing the coin as it looked like it had been authenticated at one time. I was told it was a special strike by kellogg after the mint had opened. Only 5,000 were made. From what you all are saying I should prolly go get my money back?

I took and cleaned up the coin abit and took pictures cause I feel the first pics I shared weren’t the best.

I see the details not near as good on mine coin as the ms62 I posted. To me it looks like erosion on the die? since these territorial pieces weren’t produced from the mint, I’m sure they used the die until they were practically trash, printing as many coins as possible, without trading up the die like the mint would, prolly useing them till the die broke. This is just speculation. I appreciate your input and would love to hear some more feedback from others. As for a base metal underneath, I’m not sure I’m convinced there is, there’s some rather deeper scratches on the front of the coin near lady liberty's face, that show no sign of plating underneath, they seem deep enough that it would have show through. The back does have some spotting issue and I agree but I’m also taking into the account that these coins didn’t come from the mint, and even appears to be a bubbling issue on the ms62 I posted. There’s a large bubble spot right below the O on San Francisco. I believe the shininess on the stars are were the coin rattled back and fourth on As it free floated In it’s hard case. The gold seems to be of low quality to me, possibly 14-18k. Again this is speculation to me and I wanted to get other people’s input before spending money on grading it. The 3 stars do look different colored but it looks like a shinny gold to me.

From the extensive reading I’ve done, the territorial gold pieces produced by kellogg were the first of their kind and look of a double eagle. When the mint opened later than year in april, it couldn’t vill the void of coins because of lacking base metals and acids. but kellogg started producing his coins in the beginning of the year and kept production going even into the following year. If it’s a territorial pieces and the first of its kind how would it have known what standers it had to meet if the mint hadn’t even opened its doors yet? I’ve posted a pic below of a graded 62+ territorial pieces graded by PGCS For comparison, i think they looks damn close to me. If I hear enough good feedback I will prolly send it in. What do u guys think? If it’s a fake it’s like t best fake in the entire world.

Did the territorial coins weigh as much as the mint coins? I’m very thrown off by the weight Of this one. It seems to look Very real. Possibly k-1a R.4 Die? Any info of this would be great.

I guess I’m a little confused. You said you don’t see evidence that it’s been plated, Witch I don’t believe it is, then how did it become gold in color?

How can I tell if this is the real deal? Weighs 2.4 grams.

So I put this coin on a scale and it came back 2.8 grams... do you think it just very worn down penny someone plated in gold?

Wondering if this coin is a possibly stamped on the wrong planchette, or if it’s just plated, how can I check? Not trying to waste my time if it’s not real.