Deerhunter1599

Since the piece was composed of cheap metals, the Parmelee sale were it sold for 1.10 seems fitting. It's says the description isn't enough to tie it to 52, 53, 55, 56 suggesting the piece must of had a gold appearance tho it states it was made of copper. Is current location if unknown. I believe that the piece I have is the stated piece above. The lamination on lady liberty's face give tells me that it came from one of the Kellogg dies.

I believe the piece is an expirmental piece made some time between January-febuary in 1854. The coin is composed of copper nickel tin. Common metals used for expirmental pieces of that era. The piece actually fits the description of a pattern piece mentioned in Edgar Adams expirmental and patterns of California 1849-1855. Under the section of Kellogg Co #94 fits the coins descriptions

Kellogg co double eagles were made to look exactly like coins from the mint. Since they were manufactured differently, they do look slightly different and have more of a cast look to them. These coins were often found with light abrasions on them. For a coin that was suppose to resemble that of a mint produced one 170 years ago, they did a decent job. The coins were usually crudely put together and had various purity’s and were basically just glorified ingots used in place of coins since they were scarce at the time. Most kellogg co coins were collected up by the mint after it opened In 1854 and melted down and turn into mint produced pieces that meet actual coin standards set in place by the mint. Since coinage was scarce and there were various imperfections in territorial pieces at the time, not to mention not many people could afford to tie up 20 bucks that long, the mint ended up with majority of them and melting them down to turn into mint produced pieces. If you look up the specs on this coin on ngc or pcgs you’ll see they don’t display the dimensions such as weight, metal, purity, diameter and edge. This is because they were different than mint produced pieces and often times varied from coin to coin.

I feel like this is a territorial gold coin. Possibly pattern piece. Being the coin matches the k-1a type to a tee I can’t possibly see this coin being a fake, if it were a fake it wouldn’t match the kagin so perfectly

When u look at the specs on this coin it often times doesnt give the gold purity because it was never consistent, ngc, nor pcgs show it. A lot of the territorial gold coin produced varied in gold purity until the mint was establish. I find it unlikely that a fake would carry all the same pedigrees to match the specific k-1a type when there’s five to pick from. Fakes often had a straight date or all three arrows visible on the reverse, also no lamination across the check and misshaped stars. The piece was clearly produced from a die produced by the mint.

The pics being posted are of mint produced double eagle. Territorial gold pieces weren’t produced from the mint. They were produced from a private company because of lacking coinage at the mint in 1854. So yes a territorial Piece looks different than a mint produced pieces. Abrasions and bumps were common among the territorial gold pieces according to the reading I’ve done. I believe the highest graded territorial gold kellogg piece was a ms-62. I will post a pic below so you have a similar one to compare it to.

This should be a territorial gold piece if I’m not mistaken. Different than the ones produced at the mint. The coin only weighs 15.97 grams. Half the weight of a mint produced Piece. A gold test shows it’s only 12-14k, half the karate it should be. So the weigh is actually fitting for the coin. Half the gold quality, half the weight. It should be noted that It weighs the same as double sovereign of the same year. Another hard fact to support it’s a territorial gold piece. I believe the coin was one of 178 specimens minted at the Philadelphia mint. I agree with the color differences tho, im assuming because of the low quality gold. The blue circled items match that of the K1a R.4 die to a tee. The lamination on her face, the left lean in the 4, planchette flake on star 5, missing center shaft arrow, along with stars placement of stars 3, 4, and 5 on the reverse makes me believe it a real piece. Remember zero double eagles have ever been identified of this year. This coin matches the territorial die to a tee. Most of these coins were thought to have sank to the bottom of the ocean.

I have what I believe is a real 1854 kellogg & co coin. I submitted this coin to pcgs for authenticating and was told by them it’s a counterfeit. The piece I submitted had been previously authenticated by Ray Burns Ltd. and show many pedigree signs of a non counterfeit piece. A left lean in the 4 along with a lamination across her face and a planchette flake on star 5, with a missing center shaft arrow on the reverse tell me this is coin came from the K1a die type. I believe the coin came from a catalog auction on April 29, 1924. As its a plated piece, witch is illustrated in the catalog. I believe it’s 1 of 178 Special struck coins that survived the meting process of the Philadelphia mint. My concern is pcgs is trying to pull a fast one on this coin and possibly trying to keep it Or swoop it. I’m woundering if NGC can step in and help me? This would make a great illustration article and show people why they should choose NGC over PCGS. Ive been in communication on this piece since oct and not sure what else to do. I’m a afraid to have them mail it back as they might claim it got lost or they may swoop it. The coin is in proof like condition with a mirror like reflection and prolly worth closer to the 6 or 7 digits as a special strike coin. If I can get someone higher up to help me pursue this matter with pcgs I would love to have NGC feature this coin and help me sell it. According to the census Ngc has never graded a 1854 kellogg & co double eagle and it would be its first.

I sent this coin to pcgs for authenticating and was told it was fake. It’s currently still at pcgs awaiting a Payment. I believe this 1854 kellogg co double eagle is the real deal and pcgs is mistaken. A lamination across her face, along with a slightly left lean in the 4 and a planchette flake on star 5 give me hope in authenticating this coin. On the reverse the middle arrow is slightly missing as well. Doesn’t this match the K1a kagin? Can anyone else agree to this? The coin is in superb shape and has a mirror like surface on both sides. I believe the coin is a special mint piece that came from a catalog auction on April 29, 1924. I believe it’s specimen #77. The coin has been previously authenticated by Ray Burn LTD but PCGS came back saying counterfeit. Not to sure what to do at the moment, Does NGC wanna step in and help me handle this case to show PCGS a thing or two? Any advice would be great at this point.

Your definitely right when u say he didn’t know anything. I could tell he was into for the bullion side of it and not the numismatics sode. He had never heard of the 1894-s dime. But he took his 30x magnification looking glass out and said yep looks like and s to me. When I asked if he was sure he said looks possible like a possible die fill but I see and S. When I told them there were only 24 minted, he took out his book to find it wasn’t in there and went on the computer to look it up. When I asked him if he thought it was possibly real after he said I see and S I don’t know what to say. After some reading on his computer he said of the 24 minted only 2 have unknown locations and it’s very possible the filled die is why nobody has seen it for so long. After he brought the die fill to my attention that’s when I started looking graded ones, and noticed the partial die fill on the one posted above. He recommended having it looked at by 2 more experts, before sending it In. I figured I’d see what people on this chat would have to say about it. The man of the shop was eager and even called me back to see if I had made any progress into having it verified. I said everyone’s shooting it down