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I really couldn't care less, but when you make a spurious argument, it might benefit someone else for you to be challenged on it. All this "what about blah blah blah" goes right over my head. There was no reason for the Switt coins to be split 50-50 like there was with the Farouk coin. The export license was a mistake that couldn't be undone. There was no such mitigating circumstance with the Switt coins. So, the short answer to your original question is, yes, I think the government was entitled to all 10 of them, given the outcome of the case, unless they were feeling really magnanimous, and they weren't.

20 hours ago, GoldFinger1969 said:

Forget the legal arguments....do you believe, in light of the 50-50 split of the Farouk Coin, that the government was entitled to ALL 10 of the Switt-Langbord Coins ?  That's my problem with that whole case, not the legal mumbo-jumbo.

 

You seem to conveniently forget that an export license was granted for the Farouk coin. That's a big difference between that case and the Switt hanky-panky. Your mind is made up though.

15 hours ago, gmarguli said:

Why does it matter what the coins are?

The easy answer is that everyone benefits from knowing whether there are new counterfeits out there that are fooling at least one TPG, and what they look like. From what I've gleaned these are $1000 coins.

In other words, the coin you've had for the longest time. Include the year you got it and a story if you want.

Mine is among many I got from my grandfather in 1972. My siblings and two cousins sat around a table and picked coins out of a pile, round-robin. Afterwards, there was a bit of horse trading. When I found out how much this one was worth, I was hooked for life. My grandfather was head librarian at the Chicago Tribune during the 1940s and 50s. People mailed in coins from all over the world, and I think some reporters returning from assignments also brought some.

I'd go 99.9% on it's fake. Look at the pits on the surfaces of Liberty and the date and the lapel. The US Mint didn't make dies that crappy.

On 8/12/2020 at 9:57 AM, Insider said:

It beats me why someone would not try to cross every second tier slab.

Because some of us don't care what slab it's in and don't sell our coins. I think that's the easiest answer. Whether I agree with the grade or not, it's not worth the effort playing the crackout game when I'm never going to sell anything anyway. My heirs can deal with it if they want to.

I'm in the "took a hit" camp. There's another one at the bow tie that also moved a lot of metal, and also in a relatively straight line.

3 hours ago, Morpheus1967 said:

OP won't even take the time to send it in, nor do I think he ever will.  I'm sure he (or she, for that matter) is quite amused at the lot of us banging our heads against the wall refuting each of his ridiculous claims.  

This. There's a certain personality that loves getting under people's skin. I don't waste much bandwidth on it, and the Ignore feature has made this a very peaceful thread for me. The peripheral discussion is interesting and entertaining though.

I'm always wrong so why not. MS62★

It looks like what they call a "blacksmith token", used primarily in Canada up to the 1830s. I don't know anything about them so maybe it leads you in the right direction or maybe you could quickly rule it out.

Is this what you think is an extra leaf? The only "doubled" dies on Wexler for these is in the earlobe and the cow's nostril.

19 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

Keep it rolling.  

3 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

What additional measures are YOU interested in? What "war steps" do you recommend? I'm genuinely curious.

Look at Thailand, Taiwan, Vietnam, New Zealand, to a certain extent Australia, etc etc. We could have, and possibly still could, shut this thing down in a month if we had the commitment and some real leadership. I don't need to tell you what the "war steps" would be, just look at what the reasonably successful countries have done, and what a pathetic failure the US has been so far in comparison. We can put our precious "freedum" aside for a month and then stay on top of it. When we have a massive forest fire where I live, we don't just go "Oh well, stuff burns. I'm tired of being evacuated". We fight it and contain it until it's out.

5 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

And virtually every one of them was in a nursing home, if your state is anything like mine. Are you? I'm not. And I'm 65 and have many of the comorbidities that indicate danger. And I'm about fed up with hunkering down. You can call this "surviving"or "putting off the inevitable", but there's no way this qualifies as "living".

And we are at war with precisely whom or what? Nobody says with any specificity. 

We are at war with a pandemic, duh. It will take a war footing to get out of this, if we really want to get out of it. Grab any excuse you want from your excuses bag. It doesn't take a genius to see where this "screw it" attitude has gotten us.

A partial collar error on a 2013 $5 sold in April for $630. That's the only value reference point I could find quickly at Heritage. A minor curved clip sold on ebay for $99. I imagine you would get a premium for it from the right collector, but who knows how much.

3 hours ago, VKurtB said:

So the real question is this: How long do we stay cooped up and hunkered down before we throw up our hands in disgust and say, "Screw it! I'm just going to live my life! Come get me, you stinkin' virus! How bad you be's?"

5% of the people in my age group (60-69) and state, who tested positive, are DEAD. That's 1 in 20. I'm not ready to die with glass in my lungs and tubes down my throat - are you? We are at war. It's about time we admit that, and deal with it accordingly.

3 hours ago, AkemiT said:

Thanks for contributing to the negative cesspool that keeps us so humble

Come on, what I said wasn't that bad, and it wasn't directed at you anyway, it was a bantering response in general to VKurtB, our resident curmudgeon. Besides, look at the images you started with. I did the best I could with those, and I'm happy to be wrong.

My god, this has been going on for two and a half weeks. Somebody start a gofundme for the submission fees on the condition that the OP posts the slab and let's put this thing out of its misery.

21 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

There's a post-grad psychology paper here, waiting for the right author. Completely green no-experience coin searchers spending time searching for a coin which has only two known to exist. What drives that kind of thought process? I simply cannot fathom it. Surely there's a more useful project their time can be turned to. Like watching grass grow?

People go from the "strike it rich" video straight to "I have one" and skip over the "knowing what to look for" part. I mean, it can't hurt to ask, I guess. The guy who found the first one searched 5000 coins using a homemade fulcrum scale made from toothpicks! He was really just looking to hoard copper - not sure how he even knew a small date was possible.

1 hour ago, VKurtB said:

Are we back in the business of crushing dreams again, or are we “just jealous of someone else’s find?” /sarcasm

I crushed someone's dream over on CCF a couple days ago, just to stay in practice. Boy did I get reamed out!

11 minutes ago, Greenstang said:

it is hard to tell by the out of focus pictures where the rim starts

Yes. Zooming in on your cropped image though, it also appears that the curve of the 9 points below the 8, which I think is another marker for large date. On the small date, the 2 is at least the width of the bottom of the 2 away from the rim (from what I can see), so if you extrapolate that distance onto your image it's almost off the edge.

There are elongated coins from there, so that causes me to wonder if there's a gift/souvenir shop that sold these?

1 hour ago, Just Bob said:

And this is another problem with quoting. I can put words into your mouth.

Isn't the 2 too close to the rim to be small date? Also, the mint mark is in the wrong position compared with the two known examples, below.

Everything Coinbuf says +1. And it definitely depends on what you decide to collect and your budget. I recent completed a set of all the transition varieties of Barber dimes, and since my criteria was having one of each, without breaking the bank (for me that's less than about $300/coin), I ended up with anywhere from raw AG3/G4 through slabbed MS64. As a wide generality, I find AU58-MS63 the optimum range. I figure if I ever have to sell, someone will also be looking to buy it in that range.

33 minutes ago, Alex in PA. said:

Just left from there.  There's a nutcase who can't take no for an answer.  He calls this ruined coin a 1909 S VDB found in the wild.  You can't even see anything it's so worn.   Everyone tried to tell him it's a 1919 S but no way Jose.  I think it's the season for this.  Did you get the PM I sent you.  I an find no bank in Lock Haven or Mill Hall witha coin shortage.  In fact when I asked at Jersey Shore Bank the woman said:  "Are you kidding?"  Very strange.

I saw that last night. Still flailing away? I guess I'll go over there for entertainment.