MarkFeld

Maybe the coin’s better than you’re making it sound and would straight grade on another occasion? Can you post good pictures?

Sorry I can’t answer your question, but that’s a great looking coin!

I didn’t look there, but someone said that the site hasn’t been updated in weeks.

FUN has officially been cancelled. Contact: Cindy Wibker, 1-407-321-8747 2021 FLORIDA UNITED NUMISMATISTS CONVENTION CANCELLED It is with great disappointment that the Florida United Numismatists (FUN) board of directors is announcing FUN 2021 is cancelled. Slated for January 7-10, 2021 at the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando, Florida, the convention would have been the 66th annual event held by the Florida organization devoted to serving collectors of coins, paper money, medals, and tokens. The FUN board has worked hard to make this show a reality, desperately wanting to provide a venue for our dealers to get back to what they love and have our numismatic community be able to convene again. However, it has become clear that the “cons” far outweigh the “pros” at this point in time. The COVID virus is spiraling out of control and the predictions are that will continue to get worse through the dates of the FUN show. First and foremost is the concern for the health and well-being of our dealers, our service providers, and our public attendees. There are currently many concerns and many unknowns. The FUN board built in precautions with mandatory masks, purchasing hand sanitizer, and performing daily temperature checks of everyone who enters the bourse area but was still apprehensive about being able to keep everyone safe with some level of social distancing and other safety measures. “It was a very difficult decision, but we must cancel the FUN 2021 convention,” says FUN President Bob Hurst. “The board of directors agreed to continue as long as the percentage of positive COVID-19 tests stayed at 10% or less in Orange County, Florida. Currently, it is at 14%, and we cannot wait to see if it will go down. Making the decision to cancel this 66th annual show was not made in haste. I hope to see all of you at Summer FUN 2021.” “I know this was an incredibly difficult decision of the entire FUN Board, but it was the correct one,” remarks Heritage Auctions CEO Steve Ivy. “In the final analysis the wellbeing of FUN and its members is the ultimate consideration. The January FUN convention is and will continue to be the premier coin show of the year. Heritage Auctions and its entire staff look forward to the upcoming summer show and auction with even more anticipation than normal. And the January 2022 show will be like no other.” Our clubs are unable to get their members to commit to attend the show and are cancelling their FUN-sponsored club buses. We believe this is a good indicator that the public is not yet comfortable attending a convention. If you booked a hotel reservation through FUN’s official housing bureau your reservation will automatically be cancelled. Refund checks will be mailed to all who paid a bourse fee. FUN deeply regrets disappointing many people, but we look forward to better days ahead and a hugely successful show in July 2021. We encourage all of you to consider attending Summer FUN in 2021. The FUN board will meet in the early spring to consider special plans for that show to help make up for the loss of our January show. We will have plenty of promotional items in storage to give away and we can all celebrate better days together. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we navigate these unprecedented situations.

Tilting and rotating the coin under a good light should do the job IF you know what you’re looking for. For example, many people mistakenly think that a cleaned coin will necessarily exhibit obvious hairlines. But based on the type of cleaning, that might not be the case. Here are a couple of things to try... Experiment with starting out by rotating the coin, so that you’re viewing it from the side or bottom, instead of the top, first. That can give you a different perspective and you might see things differently. If you’re not already doing so, when you first examine a coin, view it without magnification. Get a feel for the overall look/big picture, both up close and at a distance. After you have done that, use your loupe. If you get an opportunity, sit down with a sharp grader and review some cleaned coins together. .

You’d be surprised at how many counterfeits there are of low value coins. And that includes non-silver copies of silver coins.

I can sometimes see problems (such as wheel marks and cleaning) more easily with a halogen lamp.

I didn’t see anything suspicious about either listing. However, based on your concerns, I’d recommend a professionally graded example.

Why not provide links to the listings?

What about (non-slabbed) low value coins? And for those who want to protect such coins, there are far more economical options than the cost of grading and postage.

This will be my last reply to you in this thread. I reread the first amendment a short while ago, even though you didn't state that you'd reread your part of the bargain. I said nothing about reviewing it. If I made a habit of running away from arguments, I would have been done with you a number of posts ago. I am now.

Were you speaking of most U.S. collectors going back to raw coins? If so, I haven't seen or heard that.

I did post my opinion (regarding your post and the large majority of posts on the subject): "That was an exaggerated cheap shot. There are plenty of posters there (and here,) who aren’t part of kool aid crowds. And the large majority of posts on the subject were nothing like your characterization." You're correct, in that I don't control what you say or write. But that works both ways. By the way, you did a nice job with "Chicken Little". That is, until the part starting with "In this case....". Have a nice day.

I responded to your reply to my previous post and I stated my opinion, just as you did. And your assumption is incorrect. I made no attempt to get you to react in a way that would get you a time out. I don't know if you've been given time outs in the past and I don't read many of your posts, but you don't strike me as the type of poster who could be manipulated in that way. I hadn't given any thought to that possibility, so you gave me far too much "credit". I'll read the first amendment (even though it doesn't apply to posting on forums such as this), if you'll read "chicken Little". Deal?

Here's a thread on that subject, that's still alive: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1047697/collectors-universe-has-been-sold#latest

“It does have the kool aid crowd ats all wringing their hands worried that the sky is falling, should be interesting to see what transpires.” “Let’s break it down”...You used the words “crowd” “all” and “sky is falling”. If the number of those expressing worry constituted a crowd, it was a very small “crowd”. And “all” certainly didn’t apply. How many posters did you characterize accurately/fairly? None, as under the circumstances, worrying that the forum will be closed is a far cry from the “sky is falling.” “sky is falling, the An absurd belief that disaster is imminent. The term comes from a fable about a chicken who believes the sky is falling when an acorn falls on its head.” Tell me with a straight face that your remarks were fair and accurate and I’ll suggest that you go read “Chicken Little” and then write your own fable.

Because I’ve seen dozens of genuine ones and hundreds of copies. The latter are very common. If you carefully examine pictures of professionally graded genuine examples and compare them to yours, you should see differences in the details.

Yes, it is.

The best resource would be a knowledgeable collector or dealer who will sit down with you, review quantities of cleaned and non-cleaned coins and show you the differences. If that’s not an option, I’d suggest looking at quantities of NGC and PCGS - both cleaned details-grade coins and non-cleaned ones, on your own. Over time, hopefully, you’ll learn to detect the differences.

That was an exaggerated cheap shot. There are plenty of posters there (and here,) who aren’t part of kool aid crowds. And the large majority of posts on the subject were nothing like your characterization.

My guess is that the coin is counterfeit. However, even if it is, it’s possible that the gold content (and thus its value) would be very close to that of a genuine example.

You asked for opinions and have received them. Here’s one more that the coin is damaged, not an error and worth 25 cents. If you want to waste money on postage and shipping, that’s your choice. But if you’re going to ignore everyone who tells you what you don’t want to hear, there’s no point in asking for opinions.

Very well said.

That does not look like a doubled die.

I was speaking (even) of common dates, such as 1957-D.